Is having a large meal before bed bad?

best thing i have found is something very lean like slices of turkey on wheat bread. always good to have some protein in your stomach for the night. Usually i just grab 2-3 pieces of deli turkey and a glass of milk and down it about 45 min before bed.
 
i don't look at daily caloric intake. i take a weekly caloic intake viewpoint. this has helped. i sometimes eat before i go to bed. mostly, i eat some protein and some veggies. this is because i do early morning workouts. this puts fuel in my body. if i eat a full on dinner, then i usually start off my workout more slowly.
 
Whatsup guys? What is the view on eating a large meal before bed, is it OK or will it cause me to gain fat? Some sources I have read say to eat light before bed, and guys like John Berardi say to eat every 2-3 hours regardless of it is before bed or not. I typically have a "Supershake" before bed, somewhere in the 700Kcal-800Kcal range, but other times I will have a full meal with lean protein, veggies, and a healthy fat. Just curious if this would cause me to gain excess fat or if it was OK to do.

Also, since I'm already here, what do you guys think about calorie restriction diets? I am trying to lose bodyfat right now, and am following the 7 habits 5 days a week trying to get around 2500Kcals and 1xbw in protein, and the other 2 days I do intermittent fasting (IF). I know some people though never count calories and just focus on eating clean and they lose fat, so I'm unsure of what to do about it.

OK here's my take on it. Most often, in fact almost always, it will lead to some fat gain. Unless of course you are working out right before bed, and you need to replenish yourself. There is no way around that.

On the IF side of things, if it is the end of your five hour window, I haven't seen substantial fat gain doing that. That is only with two people besides myself trying it. Basically got a free diet and training program from me for doing it. Anyways, we all ate right before bed, due to workouts, school, work, etc.. No one gained fat, in fact I lost quite a bit, as did the two others.

As for the supershake. I told you what to put in that, if it is at the end of your five hour window, then by all means drink it. Even if not, if your recovery has been in the tanks lately etc, drink it.


Don't count calories, I mean if you are really close to weight coming into a fight it's different. But I count carb, protein, fat grams, but I just estimate. Some say that's nuts etc. I know what my body needs by now. It's trial and error, but a few baseline things can tell you right where you need to be for what it is you are looking for. Once you find the baseline, adjustments are easy, and the results com much more quickly.
 
OK here's my take on it. Most often, in fact almost always, it will lead to some fat gain. Unless of course you are working out right before bed, and you need to replenish yourself. There is no way around that.

On the IF side of things, if it is the end of your five hour window, I haven't seen substantial fat gain doing that. That is only with two people besides myself trying it. Basically got a free diet and training program from me for doing it. Anyways, we all ate right before bed, due to workouts, school, work, etc.. No one gained fat, in fact I lost quite a bit, as did the two others.

As for the supershake. I told you what to put in that, if it is at the end of your five hour window, then by all means drink it. Even if not, if your recovery has been in the tanks lately etc, drink it.


Don't count calories, I mean if you are really close to weight coming into a fight it's different. But I count carb, protein, fat grams, but I just estimate. Some say that's nuts etc. I know what my body needs by now. It's trial and error, but a few baseline things can tell you right where you need to be for what it is you are looking for. Once you find the baseline, adjustments are easy, and the results com much more quickly.


Rarely have I agreed with a post so much more than this one. :icon_chee Especially the last part. Seriously, I can not weight myself for a couple days and be able to guess my weight within about 1/2 a pound, just based on the knowlege of what I have been eating and how I have been training (this coming from someone who's weight fluctuates 4-7lbs per day).
 
Well, my experience...it's usually not a good idea to eat a huge meal before going to bed. Especially one heavy in saturated fats. I think it helps to promote acid reflux...which is a bad thing (it put me in the hospital since the acids ate away at my esphogus and caused a hole...I lost about six pints of blood).

See I have the opposite problem. I definitely have acid reflux disease (GERD) and when I DON'T eat enough food I have problems. So if I drink water and don't have food in my tummy then I'll start to have problems. I find that a moderate amount of food at all times helps me prevent it. So, before I go to bed I like to eat a little something healthy (certainly nothing like red sauce, gravy, spicy stuff, anything that would cause acid reflux) to keep my tummy happy and not bubbling and burning away at my esophagus.

A half sandwich of good turkey and a lil mustard on whole wheat bread is good for me. If I am hungry, I eat. When I refrain from eating just because I'm about to go to bed, I feel like crap the next day and want to throw up. My metabolism is fairly fast, so when I'm hungry before bed, I wake up absolutely STARVING to the point that I don't want food, but want to vomit instead. It's odd, but that's what I feel like happens.

I also eat a couple of TUMS before bed every night.
 
I probably have a different opinion than most on this, but I'm not a big fan of eating much before bed. Many sleep sites (albeit, devoid of much "nutritional" explanations for sleep) advise not to eat any closer than about 2 hours before bed in order to get a good night's sleep. Some medical traditions from "the East", like Ayurvedic, advise not to eat any closer than roughly 2 hours before bed and recommend going to bed around 10 or earlier and waking up about 8 hours later, generally staying in tune with the setting and rising of the sun.

From my understanding, many views (e.g. taoism, holistic practices in general) take rest and digestion as 2 very important aspects to health, as well as moderation or "balance", as much as these might seem like annoying buzzwords. Digestion takes "energy": gastric juices are released by (the stomach??, the pancreas secretes bile (to emulsify fat?, the intestines use peristaltic motion to move waste through the system which involves many abdominal muscles, something has to happen to digest protein-especially meat, which I think is considerably more diffuclt to digest than most other things). With this view, perhaps sleep time is a good opportunity to balance out the constant ingestion of foods and supplements we surrender to during the day and take it easy to some extent? Of course, digestions isn't absolutely fatiguing like lifting weights or running, but it does take place in the body when it's asleep, with the opportunity to get the deepest amount of rest possible Deeper levels of rest, to my knowledge, are when human growth hormone (HGH), or at the least the highest levels of it, are secreted, and they're some good shit for recovery, growth, youth, etc.

It all depends on many things I guess. I imagine the best course of action might be to take supplements that supply your system with some sort of "good" amount of recovery (vit E, C, B--esp. for stress?, omega-3, clorophyll...these are some that come to mind) with limited amount of digestive processes needed. Since it's before bed, I'd think you wouldn't want supplements, or exceedingly large doses of them, to be too drastic, so I imagine you'd want to--especially after training--eat some amount of food that was nutrient-dense and easy to digest. IN other words, enough to supply you with a good amount of nutrients, at a slow rate, without taxing the digestive system "excessively".

In general, I'm a big fan of sleep. I can understand the need to fuel the body, especially while training hard, but I think there's definitely a temptation to over do it with diagnosing, pill-popping, powder stirring, etc. Still, I strongly believe that devoting 8 hours of your day to just sleep usually outweights the benefits of squeezing in another big meal and consequently having a half-assed or 3/4-assed sleep. This is my general understanding and instinct about it all, but I'll admit I'm not well read up on some of the bio-chem/"science" behind all this shit. It's some food for thought, fully lame pun intended, rockin a new fuckin sig: "Wu-Tang beeeitches"!

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See I have the opposite problem. I definitely have acid reflux disease (GERD) and when I DON'T eat enough food I have problems. So if I drink water and don't have food in my tummy then I'll start to have problems. I find that a moderate amount of food at all times helps me prevent it. So, before I go to bed I like to eat a little something healthy (certainly nothing like red sauce, gravy, spicy stuff, anything that would cause acid reflux) to keep my tummy happy and not bubbling and burning away at my esophagus.

A half sandwich of good turkey and a lil mustard on whole wheat bread is good for me. If I am hungry, I eat. When I refrain from eating just because I'm about to go to bed, I feel like crap the next day and want to throw up. My metabolism is fairly fast, so when I'm hungry before bed, I wake up absolutely STARVING to the point that I don't want food, but want to vomit instead. It's odd, but that's what I feel like happens.

I also eat a couple of TUMS before bed every night.

Sorry to give you some partially-informed information on this, but from what I remember reading, you actually want to eat foods that might "seem acidic" and harmful, such as lemon juice, apple cidar vinegar, figs, "alkaline-producing foods", in order to more effectively trigger your body to create the enzymes (?) that are needed to break down the acid that's bothering you. By taking antacids, you might get rid of a bit of acid, but the body then overreacts and creates more acid to break down the antacid, further irritating you and creating acid refulx.

This is my general understanding of it all, so take it with a grain of salt and hopefully others weigh in as well. Good luck.
 
Interesting, I've never heard that before. I don't think it's so much as an acid problem, but more of a esophageal sphincter problem. I have been led to believe that mine is weaker than what it should be, and thus leads to the acid coming through and bothering me.

That's why laying down after eating acidic foods, running/wrestling, etc, can bother me.

Not sure though, I should probably do some more research. I just know I'd like to manage it without taking prilosec (spelling?) or something similar to control the problem. I've heard that there is a higher rate of hip/bone fractures in older people who have used the drug long term, making me think it's doing something with the calcium in your body (I have a limited understanding on this subject, so I'm just guessing).

Anyways, I won't hijack the thread more than I already did. My bad!
 
I have some yogurt before I go to bed. I'm sure there are better options but that's what I like.
 
I'm a Berardi follower. Pre-bed meal is good. Just stay away from carbs and whey, focus on casein and EFA's.
 
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