Is Fedor vs DC a 50/50 match?

People either think DC smashes Fedor or Fedor smashes DC

So 50/50 was maybe not too far off
 
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Not a good match-up for Fedor but definitely not an impossible one. DC's punching power/ability to do damage is highly overrated because of the Bigfoot fight IMHO and although I think he could wall and stall a decision on Fedor (with some mixed in takedowns), it wouldn't be easy. DC's chin would absolutely get checked also (the Rumble punch was absolutely not clean) but I don't think he would give Fedor room to land a significant enough shot for a finish.

In a cage, I think DC wins 90% of the time. In a ring, I think it drops down to about 80%.

I know the Fedor myth is still incredibly strong but Randleman/Coleman were incredibly one dimensional fighters and basically token names even at the time Fedor fought them and when that's the best wrestlers you beat in your career, I have doubts about him outgrappling a guy who flipped Barnett over his head. Armbars are extremely rare in modern day MMA and I strongly doubt DC is going to get caught by that or end up on his back to get stopped with ground and pound.

Watch Fedor vs Lindland who is MUCH smaller than DC and see how much trouble Fedor was in. Fedor blatantly cheats to win and the refs allow it (because the fight was in Russia) but had this been in a non-corrupt organization, he was likely on his way to a TKO loss because he was bleeding like a stuck pig just seconds into the fight.

I know it's less "exciting" that a guy who is now just a fat, annoying commentator would likely beat a fan favorite from the past with ease but it's the truth. Fedor was a great fighter but he had strengths and weaknesses just like anybody else and these were heavily masked with favorable matchmaking (just like the majority of Pride fighters). He could definitely compete with the top HWs from different eras but this is one of the worst match-ups for him
 
joy2day said:
DC isn't the best LHW ever, he surely can't beat the best HW.

DC never faced a big, formidable submission fighter BTW.
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Mir and Barnett are both big formidable subfighters. Jeff monson is fedor build fighter who has elite level submission experience/ championships.
 
Big Tuppy Hole said:
And Fedor never faced an in prime multifaceted elite HW wrestler.
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Yeah, I don't really think that works as a tit for tat though. DC would present some unique challenges, but that is true of a lot of top fighters. Fedor fought big wrestlers that were good at ground control. Fighting at HW is a different ballgame when you look at an entire career. I don't think DC would win against fighters like prime Nog or Werdum; not with any level of consistency anyway.
 
Fedor 80/20. I like Fedor's advantages in striking and hand speed with the sambo background more than DC's wrestling advantage. Even if DC gets him down he's still at risk to be submitted.
 
What year would this hypothetical match have taken place?
 
JudoThrowFiasco said:
Mir and Barnett are both big formidable subfighters. Jeff monson is fedor build fighter who has elite level submission experience/ championships.
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Those are actually poor examples if you look at when DC fought those guys. They were elite at one time, but not when they fought Comier. Monson was never an elite MMA fighter.
 
joy2day said:
Those are actually poor examples if you look at when DC fought those guys. They were elite at one time, but not when they fought Comier. Monson was never an elite MMA fighter.
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You didn't say elite mma fighters, you said large elite submission fighters. The fact DC bested them coming to mma as late as he did , and with fewer than 12 fights is very impressive. But feel free to diminish them
 
joy2day said:
DC isn't the best LHW ever, he surely can't beat the best HW.

DC never faced a big, formidable submission fighter BTW.
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LOL yeAH because submissions happen so frequently in modern day MMA. If you think "Fedor by armbar" is the most likely outcome in this hypothetical match-up, you're delusional. It's not 2005 FFS
 
DC. He would donkey kong Fedor. Fedor is kind of a small guy. DC isn't going to get armbarred from guard. DC's whole game is to takedown and land past guard almost immediately. Fedor fought wrestlers who sat in his guard waiting to get armbarred. It's just a different generation of fighters. Coleman was very tough but he didn't train MMA consistently until way later in his career.
 
FreddieRoachsVoice said:
Randleman/Coleman were incredibly one dimensional fighters
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late 90s had strikers who couldn't wrestle (Maurice Smith, Bas Rutten)and Wrestlers (Randleman, Coleman) who couldn't do submissions.

Strange times. Why either one still did the sport escapes me.
 
DC by anything he wants easily and effortlessly.

Now here come all of the delusional butt hurt Fedor fanboys.
 
FreddieRoachsVoice said:
Not a good match-up for Fedor but definitely not an impossible one. DC's punching power/ability to do damage is highly overrated because of the Bigfoot fight IMHO and although I think he could wall and stall a decision on Fedor (with some mixed in takedowns), it wouldn't be easy. DC's chin would absolutely get checked also (the Rumble punch was absolutely not clean) but I don't think he would give Fedor room to land a significant enough shot for a finish.

In a cage, I think DC wins 90% of the time. In a ring, I think it drops down to about 80%.

I know the Fedor myth is still incredibly strong but Randleman/Coleman were incredibly one dimensional fighters and basically token names even at the time Fedor fought them and when that's the best wrestlers you beat in your career, I have doubts about him outgrappling a guy who flipped Barnett over his head. Armbars are extremely rare in modern day MMA and I strongly doubt DC is going to get caught by that or end up on his back to get stopped with ground and pound.

Watch Fedor vs Lindland who is MUCH smaller than DC and see how much trouble Fedor was in. Fedor blatantly cheats to win and the refs allow it (because the fight was in Russia) but had this been in a non-corrupt organization, he was likely on his way to a TKO loss because he was bleeding like a stuck pig just seconds into the fight.

I know it's less "exciting" that a guy who is now just a fat, annoying commentator would likely beat a fan favorite from the past with ease but it's the truth. Fedor was a great fighter but he had strengths and weaknesses just like anybody else and these were heavily masked with favorable matchmaking (just like the majority of Pride fighters). He could definitely compete with the top HWs from different eras but this is one of the worst match-ups for him
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Sorry but he doesnt cheat against Lindland however many times people claim it, his arm is on the ropes and the ropes are WAY too loose but he's not grabbing them or else you'd see them bend inwards and they don't. Besides that Lindland gets a small cut on him and then gets reversed and subbed quickly after going in ultra aggressive for the takedown.

The Coleman and Randleman matches I think you see Fedor fighting to his opponents skill set knowing he had a big edge in submissions but watch the second Coleman fight were he was probably wary of US judging and you see he can shut down wrestling effectively if he wanted to, same vs Monson late in his career. Even then I would argue Cormier doesnt have the same kind of wrestling as those two, he doesnt have the fast shot from distance.

I think the Monson fight probably highlights how this might go as well, I cans ee Fedor having a VERY significant advantage with kicks from range, not something he used a ton but he could be very effective when he did breaking Monson's leg and finishing Fujita with a liver shot, even his boxing was effective from outside of Cormier typical range, he didnt tend to slug it out very close in as Cormier preffers but moved between long/mid range and the clinch and had fastly better head movement doing it than Stipe.

Besides that I think shear pace/cardio would likely be in his favour, if he went to war with Cormier I think DC would probably need to finish in the first 10 mins or his cardio would likely give out.
 
joy2day said:
Yeah, I don't really think that works as a tit for tat though. DC would present some unique challenges, but that is true of a lot of top fighters. Fedor fought big wrestlers that were good at ground control. Fighting at HW is a different ballgame when you look at an entire career. I don't think DC would win against fighters like prime Nog or Werdum; not with any level of consistency anyway.
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Big Nog is 1 of my favourite fighters and I think DC would manhandle him. He'd throw him around with ease and never have to go to the ground. Stand up wise, Prime Nog never had the punching power to keep him honest ether. It's a nightmare match up for Nog.

The best Wrestlers Fedor fought where Coleman and Randleman, nether where great guard passers or positional grapplers. They where more than happy to hang out in guard, it's not something DC is known for
 
Juice said:
DC by anything he wants easily and effortlessly.

Now here come all of the delusional butt hurt Fedor fanboys.
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Fedorgasm said:
Coleman and Randleman were both able to take Fedor down, so I bet DC could do the same.

Once down, though, the flight would be different. DC's fight IQ and sub defense was better than those 2, so I think he actually holds Fedor down and wears him out like Bigfoot did.

However, I think Fedor's striking was way better, and fast/effective enough to overcome guys with a much longer reach, and DC has a shorter reach than Fedor which gives Fedor an even bigger advantage. So there's a very good chance that Fedor catches him standing too.
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What fight did DC show that elite submission defense?
 
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