Is exchanging bodily fluids with your opponent an allowed strategy?

runjay said:
Forgot who it was but some dude was notorious for not showering for like a week before the fight. Dirty motherfucker that smells disgusting, rubbing his gross-ness all over you.

If Chiesa or Smelesberger were smart, they’d pull that move. They already look the part :clever:
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I believe it was Matt Lindland.
 
Once again introducing a syringe of bleach to the blood stream becomes brilliant.
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I guess grappling with a dude sporting a boner would be sort of repulsive, now if he starts firing those nerve endings and ejaculates it would likely be easier to finish em after he finishes and is still in that post nut stooper…
 
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Safton said:
Here are the only rules I could find that even tangentially touch on the subject:



So you can't spit on a dude, obviously. That rules out that particular "bodily fluid". You also can't stick a finger into one of their lacerations. Other than that, there is no explicit guidance against coating your opponent in your blood or their own as Rockhold did. Likewise, Cory even used his forehead to widen Song's laceration with some vigorous head position and rubbing IIRC. Totally legal even though using his fingers or actual forceful headbutting to do the same would've been a foul.

The only real way I think you'd get called for doing something like this is if the ref in question decided he/she didn't like it and said "Hey, stop that shit" under nebulous grounds of it being "unsportsmanlike" and you kept doing it anyway, causing it to fall under Rules #22 and #23, which is why I included them. Dunno how enforceable that is under the Rules-as-written, though.
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Great post, I didn’t even think about spitting. Based on the way these are written I would guess that this loophole for blood exists as a product of the following:
-Fighters may bleed during the course of a fight
-Fighters who are bleeding cannot be expected to control where their blood ends up via incidental contact

Thus a bleeding fighter cannot be expected to abstain from contact which would cause a transfer of blood onto their opponent unless that contact is illegal on its own.
 
big franklin said:
Let me preface this thread by stating that this is a very serious question I have, and one that I have spent plenty of time thinking about.

I've noticed a trend this past year regarding fighters weaponizing their bodily fluids. We saw Luke Rockhold pin Costa down and smear his bloody nose all over his face and we also saw Chandler bust blood all over Dustin Poirier's face. In both cases, no fighter was penalised or even warned.

This begs the question: are fighters allowed to utilize their 'juices' in fights? If not, why weren't Rockhold and Chandler punished?

I personally don't mind fighters using avant garde strategies like this, it adds an extra dimension to fights but I can understand that some may fight it overly vulgar.
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Only if they're swapping piss....

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If you're fuckin' old and at altitude in Salt Lake it's allowed. I'm actually disappointed Jan didn't do it to Pereira.
 
I could have sworn I remember a moment from TUF where a guy on top was purposefully aiming his stopping blood into his opponents mouth or eyes or something and the ref warned him about that. I thought for sure something like that happened.

But the Chandler and Rockhold moments, which I thought were pretty scummy, (particularly Rockhold) got more applause than warning
 
HavokHarmon said:
Great post, I didn’t even think about spitting. Based on the way these are written I would guess that this loophole for blood exists as a product of the following:
-Fighters may bleed during the course of a fight
-Fighters who are bleeding cannot be expected to control where their blood ends up via incidental contact

Thus a bleeding fighter cannot be expected to abstain from contact which would cause a transfer of blood onto their opponent unless that contact is illegal on its own.
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Very possible, yeah. Though there are 100% blind spots in the rules if I'm being honest. The one I always come back to that made me go "...Huh. Never thought of that" is when Don'Tale Mayes took Josh Parisian down, got on top of him, and put him in north-south before delivering a series of... pretty vigorous pelvic thrusts to his head. Josh (understandably) freaked the fuck out on bottom and looked to the ref, who was equal parts confused and dismayed and told Mayes to stop without really giving a reason as to why. It was super awkward, but I'm not sure if this is actually against the Rules and if so under what grounds. I mean it's not a kick or a knee to a grounded opponent, but it's arguably worse lmao

And it's possible that Mayes was legitimately causing real damage (and not just the emotional kind) with those pelvic thrusts, too. A lot of fighters wear steel cups in the cage. When you're talking about a big, 250+ pound guy like Mayes putting a significant portion of his body weight and core strength behind each thrust of said cup and jackhammering downward against a dude whose head is pinned between him the mat... not pleasant to think about.

ComfortablyNumb55 said:
I've wondered if tickling is allowed?

If someone is on top of me or trying to sub me, I'm definitely doing some tickling.

Underarm tickling can also be painful.
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Nothing explicitly bans tickling, though if a ref really wanted to get onto you about it this is the closest rule I could find:

Unified Rules said:
19. Clawing, pinching, twisting the flesh: Any attack that targets the fighter's skin by clawing at the skin or attempting to pull or twist the skin to apply pain is illegal.
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The spirit of this rule is clearly to keep someone from raking at their opponent's flesh with their nails or giving them the ole Indian sunburn or something (which is a hilarious mental image unto itself, mind you). But I guess if a ref wanted to interpret it in such a way as to discourage aggressive or painful tickling they maybe could. Not to mention the blanket bans on unsportsmanlike conduct and not following a ref's instructions.
 
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piss and shit yourself so your opponent is hesitant to grapple you, and you'll be more slimely and can slip away.

Also, very hard for people to accuse you of intentionally shitting and pissing yourself, just say you lost control of bowels.
 
I remember during a WMMA fight a chick's menstrual blood was soaking her crotch.

Wonder if it would've just been a "normal" Rockhold/Chandler situation if she got her opponent in the north-south position and grinded it all over their face.

I made a thread during the fight asking if anyone else noticed what was going down and the mods deleted it. So I made another thread asking why the mods deleted it and they dusted that one too.
 
Safton said:
Very possible, yeah. Though there are 100% blind spots in the rules if I'm being honest. The one I always come back to that made me go "...Huh. Never thought of that" is when Don'Tale Mayes took Josh Parisian down, got on top of him, and put him in north-south before delivering a series of... pretty vigorous pelvic thrusts to his head. Josh (understandably) freaked the fuck out on bottom and looked to the ref, who was equal parts confused and dismayed and told Mayes to stop without really giving a reason as to why. It was super awkward, but I'm not sure if this is actually against the Rules and if so under what grounds. I mean it's not a kick or a knee to a grounded opponent, but it's arguably worse lmao

And it's possible that Mayes was legitimately causing real damage (and not just the emotional kind) with those pelvic thrusts, too. A lot of fighters wear steel cups into the cage. When you're talking about a big, 250+ pound guy like Mayes putting a significant portion of his body weight and core strength behind each thrust of said cup and jackhammering downward against a dude whose head is pinned between him the mat... not pleasant to think about.



Nothing explicitly bans tickling, though if a ref really wanted to get onto you about it this is the closest rule I could find:



The spirit of this rule is clearly to keep someone from raking at their opponent's flesh with their nails or giving them the ole Indian sunburn or something (which is a hilarious mental image unto itself, mind you). But I guess if a ref wanted to interpret it in such a way as to discourage aggressive or painful tickling they maybe could. Not to mention the blanket bans on unsportsmanlike conduct and not following a ref's instructions.
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Man you’re a gold mine, that’s a really interesting situation.

I have to say though that I do think we can parse out why that would be different. You could argue that groin strikes are illegal, therefore by extension it becomes illegal to strike with your groin as you would then be forcing an illegal strike. Similar to not allowing a fighter to force an opponents fingers into their eye.
 
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