Is Darren Till Actually Ranked #4??? Is So, This is #1 BULL$#!T!!!

Kung Fu Kowboy said:
Romero was top 3 and hadn't won a fight since the 1800's....
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I shouldn't have laughed but I did....
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
He moved from 4 to 6 while both Hermansonn and Vittori should be ranked ahead of him. Hermansonn was ranked ahead of Till prior to his loss to Vittori so Till leapfrogging either of them doesn't make any sense.

No, I didn't say that rankings only work when you get ranked right ahead of the person you just beat. In Till's case though it doesn't make any sense to rank him higher than one spot ahead of Gastelum considering Till's only win at MW is Gastelum.

All of the following fighters should be ranked ahead of Till due to having more/better wins than Till at MW. Whittaker, Costa, Cannonier, Vettori, Hermansonn, and Brunson.
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Does performance in a loss matter? (The answer is yes. Whether or not it should be is a different question)
Are we just black and white-ing this and just wins and number next to those wins matter? Cuz then Romero is out of the rankings. Costa's best win is Uriah Hall, so he should be ranked # 9 by this logic. And Weidman should still be over Gas.

Cuz I mean, direct wins alone, the top 10's last five looks like this to me:
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Unscramble that how you like, but acting like Till's being ranked at #4 instead of #5, #6 or #7, is some sort of corrupt travesty (when you got shit like fucking Khamzat as a ranked WW) ranges from ignorable to deserving of mockery.
 
Darren Till is going to get murdered at MW. Just watch. He's played safe so far, nothing more.
His head is going to hit the canvas harder than his welterweight version ever did.
 
Sisyphos said:
Darren Till is going to get murdered at MW. Just watch. He's played safe so far, nothing more.
His head is going to hit the canvas harder than his welterweight version ever did.
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I dunno, Till won’t ever enter the pocket at mw lol
 
TheMessiah said:
Remember when TS thought he was some knockout machine
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You can thank the way Till was promoted. The UFC made him appears as if he was a KO artist despite only having 2 TKO finishes, one over an unknown can and the other over a faded Cowboy that was comically undersized. Doesn't help that Rogan called him "a knockout puncher and knockout kicker."
 
Tap has him at #6 which is a bit more fitting...
 
IsNormal said:
I dislike how Till jumped up but I can see how people voted for him. Lots of people value a couple of high level wins very highly - and can accept high level losses.

I figure lots of people still (like it or not) view Till's win over Wonderboy as an hint that he belonged at the top, and his win over Gastelum as sealing the deal.
Losing a title fight, losing to Whittaker, and losing to Masvidal isn't all that bad - as he at least showed something in those losses, knocked Mas down for example.

Meanwhile someone like Brunson might have 3 straight wins but only against lesser names: Theodorou, Heinisch, Shabazyan.

And Vettori has only just got his first name win in Hermansson.
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The thing about Till's best wins were that they were extremely underwhelming and in the WB case not convincing. He's not the finisher he claims to be. If you look at his record he only has 2 stoppages in the UFC, one over an unknown can and the other against a faded, smaller Cowboy. It's really hard to picture Till actually managing to finish or convincingly beat the top guys at MW.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
You should never rank fighters based on what you think will happen.
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Please show me where I did?

If you read the first words out of my mouth we're saying the rankings mean nothing anyway, reading would have helped.

Me saying I think Till beats Vettori is a simple fight prediction, its not any deeper than that.
 
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fortheo said:
Hermansson >>> Gastelum.

We saw them fight and it wasn't close. We also saw them both fight Jacare and Gastelum squeeked out a controversial decision where as jack wiped Jacare out for 5 rounds on short notice.

Why is a win over kelvin better than a win over jack ?
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LMAO, ah shit.

My bad, I legit forgot they fought in the Summer, I thought Hermansson was coming off the Jacare win legit.


My bad.

<{ByeHomer}>
 
Till moving up in the Ultimate Goof rankings after pulling out is classic Goof.
 
Mohawk Banditó said:
Does performance in a loss matter? (The answer is yes. Whether or not it should be is a different question)
Are we just black and white-ing this and just wins and number next to those wins matter? Cuz then Romero is out of the rankings. Costa's best win is Uriah Hall, so he should be ranked # 9 by this logic. And Weidman should still be over Gas.

Cuz I mean, direct wins alone, the top 10's last five looks like this to me:
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Unscramble that how you like, but acting like Till's being ranked at #4 instead of #5, #6 or #7, is some sort of corrupt travesty (when you got shit like fucking Khamzat as a ranked WW) ranges from ignorable to deserving of mockery.
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Costa's best win is Romero not Hall and Romero was ranked in the top 5 so that's 2 top 10 wins vs Till's 1. Weidman has way too many recent losses, wins and losses matter not just one or the other. Are you trying to use straw man arguments or are you legitimately asking me cause it feels more like strawman arguments rather than real questions. I don't think it's black and white and yes losses matter as well as wins and how well someone performs too. Fact of the matter is Till has one win at MW over Gastelum, Hermansson beat Gastelum as well as multiple other top 10 ranked MWs so he should be ranked higher, Hermansson was ranked higher than Till prior to losing to Vettori so Vettori should be ranked over Till as well.

Just because Khamzat being ranked is worse doesn't mean Till should be ranked in the top 5, two wrongs don't make a right.
 
sampuncher said:
Please show me where I did?

If you read the first words out of my mouth we're saying the rankings mean nothing anyway, reading would have helped.

Me saying I think Till beats Vettori is a simple fight prediction, its not any deeper than that.
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I didn't say you did exactly, but you did seem to suggest what you think would happens is a factor in how you rank fighters considering this thread is about where someone is ranked and where they should realistically be ranked instead.

I read your post, but your post is within the thread so I read your post within the context of what the thread is about.
 
VinceArch said:
Aside from the first round he had nothing for Whittaker after adjustments were made.
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This narrative that till was close is pretty gross, Robert beat him up almost the entire fight. Till had a few perfect shots and stole a round or 2 but was losing those rounds as well before/after that.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter till will have to face another killer and be beaten down to his proper ranking.
 
He's so low output it's annoying.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
Costa's best win is Romero not Hall and Romero was ranked in the top 5 so that's 2 top 10 wins vs Till's 1. Weidman has way too many recent losses, wins and losses matter not just one or the other. Are you trying to use straw man arguments or are you legitimately asking me cause it feels more like strawman arguments rather than real questions. I don't think it's black and white and yes losses matter as well as wins and how well someone performs too. Fact of the matter is Till has one win at MW over Gastelum, Hermansson beat Gastelum as well as multiple other top 10 ranked MWs so he should be ranked higher, Hermansson was ranked higher than Till prior to losing to Vettori so Vettori should be ranked over Till as well.

Just because Khamzat being ranked is worse doesn't mean Till should be ranked in the top 5, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Cuz it seems to be people purposefully forgetting that Till fought and had a close contest with Whittaker. Yeah, Romero was top 5, but so was Gas at the time.

Till moved up as the #7 WW (i don't think that should carry so much weight when changing divisions, but it apparently does) and his two outings were a decisive victory over #4 and then a competitive loss to #1, former champ Whittaker, which he had an argument for.

Kelvin being #7 against Jack brings inherently less value after Till beat him, but yes, Joker DID beat him better. His better win is arguably beating Jacare who was #4 at the time, having rebounded from his 50/50 war with Gas by murdering Weidman. (Those 3 had a real quick rock-paper-scissors between them, Jacare probably coming out the best of the three). But Hermansson also doesn't have a loss as valuable either. Till had two 50/50 rounds with Rob that, if both leaned his way, would have given him the win. That's just flip two coins and they're both heads. Joker got knocked out by Cannonier, who was #9, and routed by #13 Vettori.

Again, I'll reiterate that i had the rankings as Vettori, Jack, Till after the weekend. And I think these rankings will change a bit once Jacare has returned to them, but I'm just saying everyone has a window or range and it's not like he's being ranked over someone who beat him, or someone who beat someone who beat him. It is not a travesty.
 
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