Multiplat Is COD weakened enough as a brand that someone copycats it well?

[Nizam al-Mulk]

And gains the loyalty of a significant segment of the COD player base?
Like a smaller Eastern Euro studio.

 

[avenue94]

Not really, if by significant you mean a quarter or more. Marketing dollars matter, and there are very few publishers with deep enough pockets to compete with COD's publicity, let alone its historical brand recognition.

Not to mention the amount of dev resources you need to build a AAA title is beyond the means of most developers.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Not really, if by significant you mean a quarter or more. Marketing dollars matter, and there are very few publishers with deep enough pockets to compete with COD's publicity, let alone its historical brand recognition.

Not to mention the amount of dev resources you need to build a AAA title is beyond the means of most developers.

AAA is in deep shit right now on the other hand...

 

[deadshot138]

If you can't get Cheech or Homelander copyrights you won't be able to compete with CoD

 

[deadshot138]

I will say though, them making Shipment a lottery pick is some fucking bullshit

 

[avenue94]

AAA is in deep shit right now on the other hand...

Deep shit how so, in regards to COD?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Deep shit how so, in regards to COD?

COD is a somewhat weakened brand but AAA games in general are in deep dodoo this year.

 

[avenue94]

COD is a somewhat weakened brand but AAA games in general are in deep dodoo this year.

It certainly is, but it still prints money and occupies a niche full of dead challengers.

To get your idea off the ground you need a publisher with a couple hundred million to burn in marketing every release and several hundred devs.

That's a pretty hard combination to find, and that's ignoring other start up challenges (finding an engine, tuning it, tuning MM algorithms, netcode for multilayer, etc.).

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

It certainly is, but it still prints money and occupies a niche full of dead challengers.

Someone trying too grab 15 or 25 percent of the playerbase maybe more if they get hype is a throw down the gantlet i will overtake you type of challenger?

Or it is like i don't know Lexus in 95 trying to get 50 percent of one niche from BMW?

 

[avenue94]

Someone trying too grab 15 or 25 percent of the playerbase maybe more if they get hype is a throw down the gantlet i will overtake you type of challenger?

Or it is like i don't know Lexus in 95 trying to get 50 percent of one niche from BMW?

It would have to be. The modern industry landscape is not kind to COD challengers, or to be more exact, to companies in that position.

Trust me, I'd love competition for COD. But the odds are if everyone who has failed in the last decade couldn't do it, I don't have much hope a black horse is going to do it with a can do attitude, good idea, and a lot of luck.

And im no car guys but wasn't Lexus owned and backed by Toyota, one of the world's biggest came companies? That's why I mentioned the need for a publisher willing to spend a lot on marketing. Those are really hard to find.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

It would have to be. The modern industry landscape is not kind to COD challengers, or to be more exact, to companies in that position.

Trust me, I'd love competition for COD. But the odds are if everyone who has failed in the last decade couldn't do it, I don't have much hope a black horse is going to do it with a can do attitude, good idea, and a lot of luck.

And im no car guys but wasn't Lexus owned and backed by Toyota, one of the world's biggest came companies? That's why I mentioned the need for a publisher willing to spend a lot on marketing. Those are really hard to find.

A marketing hack could be that is a trusted but controversial creator / company like the dude behind that Czech Middle Ages game.

 

[Valhoven]

Someone trying too grab 15 or 25 percent of the playerbase maybe more if they get hype is a throw down the gantlet i will overtake you type of challenger?

Or it is like i don't know Lexus in 95 trying to get 50 percent of one niche from BMW?

Correct me if wrong but I believe Ubi tried this recently with XDefiant – a F2P TDM FPS designed to poach disillusioned Call of Duty MP base. Ubi coffers are thinning (their stock and financial health is garbo) but like Avenue said, not many pubs are even in a position like Ubi to attempt a CoD clone because of the resources, CapEx needed. The Finals is another live service underway hoping to capture some market but last I saw their player numbers were in a tailspin month on month.

To the point, XDefiant is doing OK last I heard with CEO saying they're now pushing for esports entry after good player numbers but is it enough to dethrone the king? Unlikely, especially with the game's insulting AA netcode and hitreg, which is suicide in the shooter space and already estranging players.

CoD is akin to an unkillable, post-nuke cockroach. Maybe Bungie's forthcoming Marathon can shake things up but Bungie recently announced some musical chairs behind the scenes on their end, making for uncertainty. Activision just has the marketing, development, publication wheels in unrelenting, synchronously staggered motion. Their product is noninnovative sh*t but it's a remarkable thing they've orchestrated production-wise.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Correct me if wrong but I believe Ubi tried this recently with XDefiant – a F2P TDM FPS designed to poach disillusioned Call of Duty MP base. Ubi coffers are thinning (their stock and financial health is garbo) but like Avenue said, not many pubs are even in a position like Ubi to attempt a CoD clone because of the resources, CapEx needed. The Finals is another live service underway hoping to capture some market but last I saw their player numbers were in a tailspin month on month.

To the point, XDefiant is doing OK last I heard with CEO saying they're now pushing for esports entry after good player numbers but is it enough to dethrone the king? Unlikely, especially with the game's insulting AA netcode and hitreg, which is suicide in the shooter space and already estranging players.

CoD is akin to an unkillable, post-nuke cockroach. Maybe Bungie's forthcoming Marathon can shake things up but Bungie recently announced some musical chairs behind the scenes on their end, making for uncertainty. Activision just has the marketing, development, publication wheels in unrelenting, synchronously staggered motion. Their product is noninnovative sh*t but it's a remarkable thing they've orchestrated production-wise.

I do not play multiplayer so i was not even thinking of that.

 

[weaselkenievil]

I hope so TS but as pointed out it seems unlikely. COD is pretty much all I play now, and it pisses me off daily. I'd jump ship in a heartbeat if there was a valid alternative.

Has anyone played XDefiant? Thoughts if so please? The early stages looked really promising but I've not heard anything about it for a while.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I hope so TS but as pointed out it seems unlikely. COD is pretty much all I play now, and it pisses me off daily. I'd jump ship in a heartbeat if there was a valid alternative.

Has anyone played XDefiant? Thoughts if so please? The early stages looked really promising but I've not heard anything about it for a while.

Ts means what? True sherbro?

 

[Valhoven]

I do not play multiplayer so i was not even thinking of that.

Is your discussion about copycatting Call of Duty SP campaigns? Banger campaigns across the franchise but unlike MP, a number of studios can hit at that narrative and graphical level, even exceed it.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Is your discussion about copycatting Call of Duty SP campaigns? Banger campaigns across the franchise but unlike MP, a number of studios can hit at that narrative and graphical level, even exceed it.

Yes i like me some SP but i am also curious how would multiplayer play into my speculation now that it was brought up.

 

[weaselkenievil]

Ts means what? True sherbro?

It was supposed to be thread starter but I much prefer True Sherbro

 

[Valhoven]

I hope so TS but as pointed out it seems unlikely. COD is pretty much all I play now, and it pisses me off daily. I'd jump ship in a heartbeat if there was a valid alternative.

Has anyone played XDefiant? Thoughts if so please? The early stages looked really promising but I've not heard anything about it for a while.

Played quite a bit of XDef. The maps are good. It does carry the earlier Duty torch for play (can be fun in spurts!) but the hitreg is messed up, so you do yourself a disservice running MMR, sniper, shottie, or anything with single chambering; general netcode is subpar. It can take years to fix this like with R6 (Ubi doesn't learn), so I think the question is if a new game commanding no player loyalty can survive long enough to see the necessary improvements through. I see guys betting it won't outlast the year but who knows. No harm in installing (F2P).

You tried The Finals at all? Good enviro destructibility and movement like older Duty but its feel is rather different as the contest (fighting) takes place in a virtual reality-type gameshow. CoD always has (had?) the grittier realism in the regard, despite now having Nicki Minaj and other silliness in the mix.

 

[weaselkenievil]

Played quite a bit of XDef. The maps are good. It does carry the earlier Duty torch for play (can be fun in spurts!) but the hitreg is messed up, so you do yourself a disservice running MMR, sniper, shottie, or anything with single chambering; general netcode is subpar. It can take years to fix this like with R6 (Ubi doesn't learn), so I think the question is if a new game commanding no player loyalty can survive long enough to see the necessary improvements through. I see guys betting it won't outlast the year but who knows. No harm in installing (F2P).

You tried The Finals at all? Good enviro destructibility and movement like older Duty but its feel is rather different as the contest (fighting) takes place in a virtual reality-type gameshow. CoD always has (had?) the grittier realism in the regard, despite now having Nicki Minaj and other silliness in the mix.

Yeah, I'm not feeling too much optimism that Ubisoft will fix it. I figured there must be issues with it as it was being pretty heavily pushed by some COD youtubers as a viable alternative and then it all died down very quickly.

No, I'm not exactly in the loop but I haven't even heard of that. Thanks for the recommendation my friend. Just checked some gameplay clips and it looks interesting. Not digging the gameshow audio tbh, I'd find that distracting and annoying although I'd assume you could turn that off. The actual gunplay looks like it could do with some work vs XDefiant (albeit this is a very broad judgement based on clips and not having played either game) but I definitely like the way it looks. Might be one for our True Sherbro to have a look at @Nizam al-Mulk

More research required, I would like to vote with my feet and not give Activision any more of my hard earned so I will look into this.

And Nicki Minaj I'm sure her many many COD playing fans were very excited by that.