Is CNN fake news??!?

[Jack V Savage]

I did a quick search I thought you said it blatantly that CNN was favorable to Trump, maybe not. But kind of close

The things I mentioned are ridiculous and unethical, and I mentioned them in this thread, too. I wonder how anyone would justify them. But you have to understand everything in context. They're biased relative to reality, but not necessarily more favorable relative to the other candidate. Like if I said that GSP might have accomplished more than Wonderboy but it's really close, I'd be biased toward Wonderboy but not more favorable to him than I am to GSP.

 

[KantoTerror]

I don't think CNN is fake news...but there's heavy filtering going on with the news they broadcast...and top that up with the blunders of their incompetency and you get what you get....might as well call it fake....

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't think CNN is fake news...but there's heavy filtering going on with the news they broadcast...and top that up with the blunders of their incompetency and you get what you get....might as well call it fake....

Any examples of things you think they should have covered but didn't?

 

[KantoTerror]

Any examples of things you think they should have covered but didn't?

Pre election polls if you don't remember.

 

[Literally Bricked]

I don't see CNN totally as fake news in how it is being used but I don't see it as a place to go to get the news, rather an opinion on the news.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Pre election polls if you don't remember.

There was a lot of coverage of pre-election polls.

 

[KantoTerror]

There was a lot of coverage of pre-election polls.

all of them burying trump...what happened?

 

[Jack V Savage]

all of them burying trump...what happened?

They weren't "burying Trump."

Good illustration of the problem, actually. You regard accurate polling as an insult to the guy who is losing. It would be literally impossible for honest reporting to not be regarded as biased by you.

And what happened was that a very small polling error (smaller than in 2012, for example, when Obama won by a bigger margin than expected)/a real change in the race that happened late.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Polls had Hillary winning national polling by 4%, she won the national vote by 3%. Polling is done by private outfits hired, it's an inexact science, there is a MOE for a reason, and all of the polls in the swing states were within the MOE. "Fake News" would be making up polling numbers, it's not fake to report on polling commissioned by your outlet or made public by others.

Mitt Romney was 100% convinced that he was going to win in 2012 based on his private polling - his polling was wrong, doesn't mean it was fake. Hillary thought she had it in 2016 based on her private polling - her polling was wrong, doesn't mean it was fake.

Trump loved and loves polling that is favorable to him - but otherwise it's "fake". It's the same with the news stories now - he loves positive coverage, but anything negative it's "fake" Trump uses "fake" as a weapon to de-legitimize industries where trust is paramount, rather than push back on the story with provable facts (ie not alternative facts) and evidence.

 

[Nameless Ghoul]

Instead of being an endless stream of fake outrage and playing on viewers fears do you remember when the news actually covered...the news?

 

[HereticBD]

Instead of being an endless stream of fake outrage and playing on viewers fears do you remember when the news actually covered...the news?

Remember when they had more than one story to cover in a 24 hour cycle? These networks are pretty much all Trump all the time. It's ridiculous.

 

[GSP_37]

You have to distinguish between their reporters vs. the dumbshit talking heads who are biased towards this guy or that turd. When they do the segment of one talking head vs. another, you can see which one's a damned fool ball licker.

 

[IDL]

CNN gave one of the most uncharitable interpretations of Trump, and the election in general, than any other reputable news network, painting Hillary in a good light and undermining all her gaffs, while exaggerating every little mistake Trump made. By the end of the election it reached propaganda status and it was quite evident to anyone who was being honest. They weren't lying, per se, but it was blatantly anti-Trump propaganda.

Fake news is a misnomer, but the implication behind the term is apt. Plus, I thought we were calling it Narrative Propaganda (Narpro)?

Yeah it's all about the narrative (manufacturing peoples realities), and professional operations can weave a completely distorted narrative while maintaining plausible deniability and without technically lieing in the traditional sense. I mean, for sure sometimes demonstrably false things are said but that isn't the real killer when it comes to propaganda and deception.

The most obvious examples are when consent for war is being drummed up, but really it applies across the board.

 

[HereticBD]

CNN host gets absolutely annihilated:

 

[M3t4tr0n]

 

[grimballer]

It's yellow journalism

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Horowitz is misrepresenting the numbers for murder there. He chose an arbitrary low point of 2012 and compared it to 2016, rather than look at overall change (it's been slowly decreasing from the '90s).
Pretty clearly a propagandist and not a criminologist.
No idea why Lemon was going with state department numbers rather than the Swedes own bureau of statistics, but that wasn't "fake news" so much as incompetence.

From what I have seen of Lemon, I am surprised that he was actually listening to one of his guest's answers.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

It's yellow journalism

that was just the one article though about Trump's paraphilia.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

It seems like the democrat party has backed off the fake news narrative that they began pushing immediately after they lost. From my view, it looks like it backfired on them big time.

You expose yourself here as someone who hasn't been paying attention. The fake news generated by Russian trolls is an accepted part of the counterintelligence investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election. Trump stealing and using the term changes nothing in his war with the "dishonest media," and it doesn't stop any of the house, senate, or DOJ investigations into the veracity of the news Trump tries to sloughs off as fake.

 

[SurferH2O]