Is Chris Weidman The Most Overrated 185er of All Time? If Not Him, Then Who?

Lol someone who won the belt is not overrated you stupid motherfucker
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Actually this is the dumbest response in the entire thread. If I call Michael Bisping the GOAT, I'm overrating him. It doesn't matter if he won the belt.

You see how that works retard?
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Who the fuck is saying he is the GOAT? That is nonsense and I haven't seen ANYONE ever claim that, genius.
 
Pre-USADA Weidman was great!!!

I’m not accusing him of being on anything, but he was much better before USADA than after, that’s just timeline fact.
 
mjfan23 said:
You mean nature and pharmaceutical science ?
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I'm not going to get into the steroid convo because we both can never know who was and wasn't using back then.

But I'm just talking about Jones physical stature. There weren't many 6'4 205ers then and certainly not as wild and creative as Jon was, who could punch you from a block away.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
He beat 38 year old Anderson and a 35+ Machida. Both guys had 3 times the mileage of Weidman. Vitor was on a killing spree but he was rendered powerless after they stopped letting him over juice.

Looking at the numbers, Weidman is barely a 50% fighter against top guys. Aside from Gastelum he has loss to every fighter he faced with similar age and mileage to him.
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It's hard to win a title let alone defend it and doing 3x is very rare.
Silva was the goat.
Lyoto wasn't some geriatric 35 year old he just beat up Moose and destroyed Munoz.
And Vitor was as dangerous as anyone then.

Falls can happen quick in mma and once chris started crack he shattered.

Woodley went from smashing till in a round to never winning another mma round and getting lit up by a youtuber.
 
Mmmmmmma1234 said:
It's hard to win a title let alone defend it and doing 3x is very rare.
Silva was the goat.
Lyoto wasn't some geriatric 35 year old he just beat up Moose and destroyed Munoz.
And Vitor was as dangerous as anyone then.

Falls can happen quick in mma and once chris started crack he shattered.

Woodley went from smashing till in a round to never winning another mma round and getting lit up by a youtuber.
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The Chris is a crack head?
 
Mmmmmmma1234 said:
It's hard to win a title let alone defend it and doing 3x is very rare.
Silva was the goat.
Lyoto wasn't some geriatric 35 year old he just beat up Moose and destroyed Munoz.
And Vitor was as dangerous as anyone then.

Falls can happen quick in mma and once chris started crack he shattered.

Woodley went from smashing till in a round to never winning another mma round and getting lit up by a youtuber.
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The argument is whether Weidman was great. It isn't if he's the most overrated. If not who?

Simply an opinion based convo
 
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GoshiShun17 said:
The argument is whether Weidman was great. It is if he's the most overrated. If not who?

Simply an opinion based convo
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Chael never won a belt and some people praise his greatness.
Mousasi never won ufc gold and even lost to 35 loyto in the fight that would have given it too him. He even lost his bellator title and people will say he's the #1 mw in the world.
Rockhold is/was talked about as a goat contender and couldn't even defend his belt and went on a slide as bad as chris.

Oh and Romero with his million title fight and title eliminators he lost.
 
His legacy will be having been the one to dethrone Anderson Silva. His career went downhill pretty fast after that.
 
Weidman is one of my favorite fighters. I was very shocked when I saw his fight against Gastelum he just wrestled the shit out of him. I say this all the time on here i wrestled in school and USA wrestler boxers are my favorite fighters. I really think that these types of people get tons of hate and honestly Chris is probably underrated
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Seriously? After all this time some people still act as though he's the greatest Middleweight talent to ever exist. In 10th pro fight he knocked off a GOAT. Kudos and hespect. But after that, his best simply wasn't good enough.

I'll admit he has one of the best skill sets to make him a difficult matchup for anyone, the best example for me being his fight with Kelvin. But there is absolutely NO reason for people to be so confident that he is a lock to beat anyone from his fighting generation or the one after.

His strength was his wrestling/grappling, as well as his size and length. He had a decently effective offensive striking arsenal but relied on his chin a LOT.

Also his fight IQ was somewhat questionable IMO. When he did get the takedowns, often times he was to eager to advance position or go for submissions that usually allowed his opponents to stand up, ie the fight with Gegard.

People say that " the Weidman that fought Machida could beat anyone", but the evidence disagrees. Yoel owned Machida as well as Brunson. Yoel also owned Weidman along with everyone Weidman fought from his own fighting generation.
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No, Luke Rockhold is.
 
He fell off fast, though. While not the most technical striker, he managed distance well, could crack, and his set ups for TDs were top notch. When on top, it's usually over because he had legit jitz and solid GNP.

Then, out of no where, he looked thinner, started having cardio issues, and his chin vanished after tough beats. He use to be a pressure monster.

Hendricks had an almost similar, rapid decline.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Seriously? After all this time some people still act as though he's the greatest Middleweight talent to ever exist. In 10th pro fight he knocked off a GOAT. Kudos and hespect. But after that, his best simply wasn't good enough.

I'll admit he has one of the best skill sets to make him a difficult matchup for anyone, the best example for me being his fight with Kelvin. But there is absolutely NO reason for people to be so confident that he is a lock to beat anyone from his fighting generation or the one after.

His strength was his wrestling/grappling, as well as his size and length. He had a decently effective offensive striking arsenal but relied on his chin a LOT.

Also his fight IQ was somewhat questionable IMO. When he did get the takedowns, often times he was to eager to advance position or go for submissions that usually allowed his opponents to stand up, ie the fight with Gegard.

People say that " the Weidman that fought Machida could beat anyone", but the evidence disagrees. Yoel owned Machida as well as Brunson. Yoel also owned Weidman along with everyone Weidman fought from his own fighting generation.
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Weidman is just one of many champions who came along at the right time and was a beneficiary of circumstance. Most of his top wins are against aging Brazilian fighters who have since gone on to mediocrity. He arguably had the fastest fall from grace of any ex-champion, up there with Hendricks and Barao
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Seriously? After all this time some people still act as though he's the greatest Middleweight talent to ever exist. In 10th pro fight he knocked off a GOAT. Kudos and hespect. But after that, his best simply wasn't good enough.

I'll admit he has one of the best skill sets to make him a difficult matchup for anyone, the best example for me being his fight with Kelvin. But there is absolutely NO reason for people to be so confident that he is a lock to beat anyone from his fighting generation or the one after.

His strength was his wrestling/grappling, as well as his size and length. He had a decently effective offensive striking arsenal but relied on his chin a LOT.

Also his fight IQ was somewhat questionable IMO. When he did get the takedowns, often times he was to eager to advance position or go for submissions that usually allowed his opponents to stand up, ie the fight with Gegard.

People say that " the Weidman that fought Machida could beat anyone", but the evidence disagrees. Yoel owned Machida as well as Brunson. Yoel also owned Weidman along with everyone Weidman fought from his own fighting generation.
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He was a champion who earned his title by koing the most dominate champion at 185 ever who at the time showed no signs of slowing or fading...

So no...not overated at all...

Further confirmed by the fact he won the rematch
 
No matter how you look at it, he beat Anderson twice, Machida, and then Vitor. That's one hell of a run. "My boy" is legit.
 
warriorfan808 said:
I guess I could pick someone at 185 that could be seen as overrated, but I just don’t think there are any former 185lb champs that are overrated. The worse champ to date at 185 has to be Bisping, but I doubt he was every highly rated.
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Is Bisping the worst champ, or a Cinderella story where no one ever thought he had a chance in the first place? I'd say Weidman is(was) way more overrated than Bisping, who few, if any ever thought was that great.
 
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