Is Chris Weidman The Most Overrated 185er of All Time? If Not Him, Then Who?

Captain Herb said:
I don't know how you could call him overrated after absolutely destroying Silva x 2, Machida and Belfort. And I hate to say it, but his decline coincided closely with USADA
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He beat 38 year old Anderson and a 35+ Machida. Both guys had 3 times the mileage of Weidman. Vitor was on a killing spree but he was rendered powerless after they stopped letting him over juice.

Looking at the numbers, Weidman is barely a 50% fighter against top guys. Aside from Gastelum he has loss to every fighter he faced with similar age and mileage to him.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Seriously? After all this time some people still act as though he's the greatest Middleweight talent to ever exist. In 10th pro fight he knocked off a GOAT. Kudos and hespect. But after that, his best simply wasn't good enough.

I'll admit he has one of the best skill sets to make him a difficult matchup for anyone, the best example for me being his fight with Kelvin. But there is absolutely NO reason for people to be so confident that he is a lock to beat anyone from his fighting generation or the one after.

His strength was his wrestling/grappling, as well as his size and length. He had a decently effective offensive striking arsenal but relied on his chin a LOT.

Also his fight IQ was somewhat questionable IMO. When he did get the takedowns, often times he was to eager to advance position or go for submissions that usually allowed his opponents to stand up, ie the fight with Gegard.

People say that " the Weidman that fought Machida could beat anyone", but the evidence disagrees. Yoel owned Machida as well as Brunson. Yoel also owned Weidman along with everyone Weidman fought from his own fighting generation.
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Give some examples of people in 2022 that still act like or think this.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
He beat 38 year old Anderson and a 35+ Machida. Both guys had 3 times the mileage of Weidman. Vitor was on a killing spree but he was rendered powerless after they stopped letting him over juice.

Looking at the numbers, Weidman is barely a 50% fighter against top guys. Aside from Gastelum he has loss to every fighter he faced with similar age and mileage to him.
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He was underrated before beating Silva twice, then he went on to beat Machida and Belfort, so whatever people said about him after the Silva fights, he backed it up. The only fight where he may have been overrated was Rockhold. The wind left the sails of his career and he was never overrated after that, if he ever was in the first place. If anything, I believe he was mostly underrated during his career because of his style. It was grinding and un-flashy.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Seriously? After all this time some people still act as though he's the greatest Middleweight talent to ever exist. In 10th pro fight he knocked off a GOAT. Kudos and hespect. But after that, his best simply wasn't good enough.

I'll admit he has one of the best skill sets to make him a difficult matchup for anyone, the best example for me being his fight with Kelvin. But there is absolutely NO reason for people to be so confident that he is a lock to beat anyone from his fighting generation or the one after.

His strength was his wrestling/grappling, as well as his size and length. He had a decently effective offensive striking arsenal but relied on his chin a LOT.

Also his fight IQ was somewhat questionable IMO. When he did get the takedowns, often times he was to eager to advance position or go for submissions that usually allowed his opponents to stand up, ie the fight with Gegard.

People say that " the Weidman that fought Machida could beat anyone", but the evidence disagrees. Yoel owned Machida as well as Brunson. Yoel also owned Weidman along with everyone Weidman fought from his own fighting generation.
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I built a Chris Weidman Bandwagon in 2015... it broke down fairly quickly.
BTW, I was never a fan-boy, it was just my honest opinion/prediction.

Chris Weidman Is The Baddest Man On The Planet And Will Be The GOAT
CoffeeAndBeer, Oct 10, 2015
I wanted to say this on record before the Rockhold fight...

Weidman will finish cleaning-out the MW div (only Luke and Jacare left). He will beat Jon Jones. And whether he ever moves up to HW or not, Chris Weidman will prove to be the Baddest Man on the Planet and go down as the GOAT before his career is done.

Pick your side **no if's, no maybe's** agree or disagree, let it be known right now.

P.S. Not a 'nuthugger,' I hope Rockhold wins. But just calling it as I see it.​

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This is all just hindsight bullshit really. When he went on a tear leading up to the first Silva fight he was a serious problem. The way he disposed of Munoz was incredibly impressive and I actually picked him to beat Anderson. Didn’t see him knocking him out but I thought he would follow the Chael Sonnen game plan but actually be successful.

If you defend your belt twice against legit competition, you can’t be called overrated imo.
 
I lost a lot of respect for him during his fight with Mousasi.

For those who don't remember or haven't seen the fight, Mousasi started to pull ahead with strikes. It was a good fight, but Mousasi had the momentum. At one point Mousasi had Weidman in a prime knee to head situation, but Weidman started playing patty cake with the canvas, constantly switching from grounded to standing status, hoping to draw the foul. Mousasi, being Mousasi, gave no fucks and knee'd Weidman in the head anyways. Weidman flops to the ground FIFA style. He's confident it was an illegal knee so he tells the ref he can't continue. He states he cannot keep fighting because the knee did too much damage. Weidman wants that victory via DQ. But the ref reviews the tape, and it turns out Weidman mis-timed his patty cake canvas touch, and the knee was legal. Weidman suddenly wants to be a warrior and continue, but since he already made it clear he's too injured to continue, it's Mousasi by TKO.

So yeah, flopping Weidman may indeed be the most overrated MW ever.
 
Fergelmince said:
Give some examples of people in 2022 that still act like or think this.
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Greyscale said:
Prime Weidman looked like he could beat almost anybody. Amazing knockouts standing up, world-class wrestling.
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Humongo said:
The Chris is 10 times the fighter Costa is. And I'm a Costa biceps-licker
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sonofjay817 said:
On a good night, prime Weidman could beat anyone in his weight class, its just that, after his win over Vitor Belfort, the MMA gods saw fit that he would have no more good fight days on the day of the event. Chris has had the worst luck of any fighter i've ever seen.
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Mal Intentions said:
prime chris was one of the best and most dominant fighters ive seen.
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Lights Out 101 said:
This is all just hindsight bullshit really. When he went on a tear leading up to the first Silva fight he was a serious problem. The way he disposed of Munoz was incredibly impressive and I actually picked him to beat Anderson. Didn’t see him knocking him out but I thought he would follow the Chael Sonnen game plan but actually be successful.

If you defend your belt twice against legit competition, you can’t be called overrated imo.
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He was legit. He was also overrated at his apex, in my opinion. Then again, the hyperbole surrounding him with the perpetual "Weidman GOAT" posts were ridiculous to begin with.
 
Rich Franklin was over-rated during his time, but now... he's not really rated very highly, so...

Michael Bisping is over-rated because he's a higher-profile persona, charisma, his gift of gab, etc.
 
C0NCH3TO said:
Ts is mad that prime Chris would manhandle Izzy.
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Lol get back to reality. I'd give Sonnen and Kennedy a better chance as they are more willing to hold you in one position or as some might say "lay n pray".

Weidman usually always tries to advance, giving his opponents opportunity to escape, and he had good takedowns but fighters of lesser TDD than Izzy have been able to thwart them.

That said, it is a winnable fight for either guy IMO but just fantasy.
 
GoshiShun17 said:
Seriously? After all this time some people still act as though he's the greatest Middleweight talent to ever exist. In 10th pro fight he knocked off a GOAT. Kudos and hespect. But after that, his best simply wasn't good enough.

I'll admit he has one of the best skill sets to make him a difficult matchup for anyone, the best example for me being his fight with Kelvin. But there is absolutely NO reason for people to be so confident that he is a lock to beat anyone from his fighting generation or the one after.

His strength was his wrestling/grappling, as well as his size and length. He had a decently effective offensive striking arsenal but relied on his chin a LOT.

Also his fight IQ was somewhat questionable IMO. When he did get the takedowns, often times he was to eager to advance position or go for submissions that usually allowed his opponents to stand up, ie the fight with Gegard.

People say that " the Weidman that fought Machida could beat anyone", but the evidence disagrees. Yoel owned Machida as well as Brunson. Yoel also owned Weidman along with everyone Weidman fought from his own fighting generation.
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I don't see any quotes saying he's the "greatest middleweight talent to ever exist." Just a bunch of quotes saying he was damn good in his prime.
 
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