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Media Is Chris Weidman better than his MMA record?

Is Chris Weidman better then his MMA record?


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I think he was legit really good when he was 13-0

But he had a short prime. Really from the Maia fight to the Romero fight. Injuries, age, broken confidence from bad losses.. Who knows, it happens.

Some guys are able to stay great for 10 years, he wasnt one of them
 
Was it those injuries that gave him such awful fight IQ in the Rockhold fight? No doubt they hampered him but I don’t think you can blame that on injury.

I don’t think he was ever that good. He was good enough to beat some old Brazilians past their prime when he was much younger but he was a step below a truly elite fighter then the wheels fell completely off due to injury

No of course not. But perhaps teh Chris from 2.5 years, 2 fights, and few a surgeries ago that KO’d Anderson cold may have been able to deal with Luke’s top control. Chris had neck surgery before he fought Luke, as well. People are acting like Luke was some can. Perfect mix of Chris being diminished and Luke actually being very good.
 
Crow
Rivera
Okami
Tanner 2x
Wanderlei 2x
Chuck
Shamrock
Eastman

Are all good wins
the Chuck win was good. Wanderlei looked tired in those fights. Okami let the win slip by. SHamrock, isn´t that the fight where he took a dive.
 
Franklin beat some good opponents, but from an earlier era. He was a better version of Bisping. Bisping lost to Wand and was KO'd within seconds by prime Hendo. Rich beat the same Wand twice and lost a razor-thin decision to prime Hendo because Dan turned into a wrestler when he couldn't outstrike Rich.
I watched all those fight, Rich is one of the only fighters where I see him fight and wonder why he is good. Nothing looks slick about him. Like basic and bad moving, but works. The results are there.
 
His record which 16 wins and 8 losses to me is not that exceptional considering he was a MW champion and defended it 3x.

But I honestly think he's better than what reflects on his record.

At his best he was an absolute elite monster of a fighter.


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Yes I feel that at his peak he was one of the most talented MMA fighters of all time, granted it was a relatively short run. But his sheer dominance on his way up after such a short amount of time in the game, through his title run, puts him up there in the rarefied air.
 
I was one of the "no he's worse" voters. We're second right now, but we can win this thing if we band and stand together!!!
 
'End of his career' - he was in his prime at 31-32 when he lost Rockhold, Mousasi and Romero. Still only 34-35 when he lost to Jacare and Reyes.

So the 'end of his career' includes when he was younger than any of his ranked opponents on his initial run that constitute his 'great wins'.

Weidman fluffers are truly embarrassing.

You misunderstood. I meant the losses against Hall, Tavares, Anders. Hence I didn't even mention them. The ones against Rockhold, Mousasi, Romero, Jacare, Reyes are not a shame because those guys were absolute elite. Of course you can lose against them. It's not like he got outclassed. Those were high level competitive fights. On the flip side he beat Anderson, Vitor, Machida. Also some good other wins like Maia, Munoz, etc. He showed that he belonged at the top. He won some and lost some. Point was I dont care if he's 16-8 or 16-5 or whatever number.
 
his peak was really good for his era, he's just one of those guys who didn't retire when he should have and racked up a bunch of losses Tony Ferguson style.
 
his peak was really good for his era, he's just one of those guys who didn't retire when he should have and racked up a bunch of losses Tony Ferguson style.
 
You misunderstood. I meant the losses against Hall, Tavares, Anders. Hence I didn't even mention them. The ones against Rockhold, Mousasi, Romero, Jacare, Reyes are not a shame because those guys were absolute elite. Of course you can lose against them. It's not like he got outclassed. Those were high level competitive fights. On the flip side he beat Anderson, Vitor, Machida. Also some good other wins like Maia, Munoz, etc. He showed that he belonged at the top. He won some and lost some. Point was I dont care if he's 16-8 or 16-5 or whatever number.

Yes, fair enough that I misunderstood that part.

But focusing on Tavares etc. is a straw man anyway. Nobody is calling Weidman's legacy into question because of his losses when he himself was shot in the first place. It's not relevant, unlike the earlier losses.

Every single win you mentioned was someone past his physical prime when Weidman fought them - not all of them were shot to bits, but it still negatively impacts his record. And listing post-TRT elderly Vitor as an elite win suggests you aren't interested in being taken seriously.
 
Yes he's better
He def had losses in fights where he was winning and got caught at the end of the fight with something. Like yoel or jacare
 
Who was the best of his generation in your opinion
Probably Jacare, Mousasi, Romero, maybe Rochold. Machida got the title by beating Mousasi in what was a great fight.. after Weidman Machida never beat a top 15 guy again.... which makes sense at 36 with a speed/reflexes based striking game
 
He beat Andy twice when Andy still had something in tank. He got hurt Rocksalt fight an was a shell of self then Romero ended him. His peak was better thsn he gets credit for but was short lived
 
Probably Jacare, Mousasi, Romero, maybe Rochold. Machida got the title by beating Mousasi in what was a great fight.. after Weidman Machida never beat a top 15 guy again.... which makes sense at 36 with a speed/reflexes based striking game

IMO those 5 were a clear evenly matched top 5 - all of them on an insanely high level. All of them should be regarded super highly still to this day. The best division in the world back then. Jacare, Mousasi, Romero, Rockhold, Weidman. Granted, with how their records against each other ended up, it's fair to rank Weidman below the others, but IMO all 5 of them were on the same level. And Weidman does have the championship and the win against Anderson on his resume.

And of course Bisping spent most of that era being the champ lol.
 
You misunderstood. I meant the losses against Hall, Tavares, Anders. Hence I didn't even mention them. The ones against Rockhold, Mousasi, Romero, Jacare, Reyes are not a shame because those guys were absolute elite. Of course you can lose against them. It's not like he got outclassed. Those were high level competitive fights. On the flip side he beat Anderson, Vitor, Machida. Also some good other wins like Maia, Munoz, etc. He showed that he belonged at the top. He won some and lost some. Point was I dont care if he's 16-8 or 16-5 or whatever number.

How in the hell was he not outclassed when he got finished in every single one of those fights? With two of those being some of the most brutal finishes in MMA history(Luke's 76 elbows & Romero's orbital bone crushing flying knee)??

You have one bizarre definition of 'outclassed' if you don't think those losses were examples of that.
 
How in the hell was he not outclassed when he got finished in every single one of those fights? With two of those being some of the most brutal finishes in MMA history(Luke's 76 elbows & Romero's orbital bone crushing flying knee)??

You have one bizarre definition of 'outclassed' if you don't think those losses were examples of that.

A finish is not the same as outclassing someone. That's obvious, no?
 
No of course not. But perhaps teh Chris from 2.5 years, 2 fights, and few a surgeries ago that KO’d Anderson cold may have been able to deal with Luke’s top control. Chris had neck surgery before he fought Luke, as well. People are acting like Luke was some can. Perfect mix of Chris being diminished and Luke actually being very good.

The only thing diminished is the credibility of your argument. Not even the most rabid Weidman fans claim he was past his prime against Rockhold.
He was perfectly capable of getting entangled in Rockhold wrestling him for a full round. The problem is Weidman always blows his wad early and then becomes easy picking against a strong, PRIMED fighter.

See the old Brazilians couldn't handle his pace unlike the guys who were in their primes. Weidman always won the first round because of that and then got destroyed by anybody who was better at pacing. He's one of the most overrated front runners ever.
 
A finish is not the same as outclassing someone. That's obvious, no?

A finish is even more comprehensive than outpointing someone to a decision win. That's obvious.

Would you have been more impressed with Romero, Jacare, Luke, Mousasi if they had just softly pummeled a pathertically gassed out Weidman for several more rounds for a points W instead of decapitating him the way they did?
 
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