Is chiesa a high level grappler or not?

[GolovKing]

I'm confused because he's talked about as being this grappling ace but he's been submitted multiple times now. Masvidal tapped him out, Kevin Lee, Pettis and now luque.

 

[Fesaine]

He's been submitted but he also submitted Dariush who's a very high-level grappler.

This is mma, submissions can happen whether you're a high-level grappler or not.

 

[king of theRing]

In terms of offensive he is, but he is not world class, so being submitted not that much of a shock either.

 

[Turkleton]

Michael Chiesa is a poor mans Tank Abbott

 

[blaseblah]

He's a good offensive grappler with some defensive flaws. Oliviera is also like this (both subbed by Pettis).

 

[King in the North]

^^has defensive flaws or (I think) he panics in bad situations for whatever reason.

 

[NotRussianGuy]

He was submitted by Kevin Lee. That should tell you everything.

 

[Blayt7hh]

He takes risks. If he had decided to stay on top in half guard and smothered Luque we might have seen a different outcome.

 

[ocfightfan]

It's MMA brah, not submission grappling.

 

[LilNicky95]

I don’t know about all that BUT…

Chiesa is Happy Gilmore’s former caddy…

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

He's not. He has no wrestling background. No jiu jitsu background. He's good enough at both and yet not elite at either. For example, a wrestler in seatbelt position would never chase the RNC like he did, they would just try to pound out Luque. And a real jiu jitsu guy probably wouldn't get caught in that Darce.

I think of him as the UFC's "designated grappler", like "look, we have a grappler", and "oh look, this guy beat a grappler, he must be good against grapplers." But there are levels between where he is an where say Usman, Colby, Edwards, Burns, and also I believe Khamzat, Shavkat, and even moving to a different promotion guys like Amosov, Storley, they're on a different level. Chiesa loses the fights he should, and wins the fights he should.

 

[LilNicky95]

Michael Chiesa is a poor mans Tank Abbott

Tank would never get caught with a Brabo choke in the 1st.

 

[Ackmed]

He's been submitted but he also submitted Dariush who's a very high-level grappler.

This is mma, submissions can happen whether you're a high-level grappler or not.

Except Khabib has never been submitted even during practice

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

He takes risks. If he had decided to stay on top in half guard and smothered Luque we might have seen a different outcome.

This.

 

[DaRivv20]

Except Khabib has never been submitted even during practice

It’s cute you believe this

 

[jons333]

no he's a career journeymen that's only in the WW contention because WW is weakest it's ever been.

 

[MindGamingMantis]

I wanna see Lee vs Chiesa 2.

 

[Turkleton]

Except Khabib has never been submitted even during practice

and Rickson Gracie is 400-0

 

[The Chosen]

He loses to mediocre grapplers (in comparison to the absolute elite) so no he isn’t the pinnacle

 

[Jarvan]

Michael Chiesa is a poor mans Tank Abbott

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