Is catch wrestling dead? [QUINTET spoiler inside]

[TroldeAnsigt]

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[JinKazama]

Well yea, but some of that has to do with how fresh they are and what order the match-up fall in. You think Gordon would generally tap a fresh Buchecha?

I really want to see Gordon take on buchecha no gi although im pretty sure buchecha takes it

 

[Bluesbreaker]

Did BJJ die when Jones armlocked Belfort?

 

[yetanother]

Did BJJ die when Jones armlocked Belfort?

Belfort represents steroids and striking not BJJ.

 

[Bluesbreaker]

Belfort represents steroids and striking not BJJ.

Cool story, Hansel.

 

[rmongler]

Will yetanother ever make posts that are not mendacious?

 

[Dirty Holt]

Barnett is almost 41. He is doing other things in his life and I would be willing to bet he isnt training any form of submission grappling more than a few times a week. He is far from being a competitive grappler in the sense of his training like the guys in this competition are.

Him losing to arguably the best guy in the world doesnt say much about the style as a whole.

 

[yetanother]

Will yetanother ever make posts that are not mendacious?

Did a Musumeci DVD review.

 

[Human Bass]

It's all grappling, the whole catch thing is dumb nostalgia. Well, even Hélio bjj is dumb nostalgia, he didn't know about triangles.

 

[Dirty Holt]

It's all grappling, the whole catch thing is dumb nostalgia. Well, even Hélio bjj is dumb nostalgia, he didn't know about triangles.

It is, but there are definitely different preferences and routes that are used by those who slant toward a specific style. I would consider myself a catch wrestler over a straight up wrestler or traditional BJJ athlete. I have a black belt in BJJ. The route I take to get from point A to point B is vastly different than anyone I train with because of catch wrestling. The way a guy who almost only does gi is going to pass and sweep much differently than a guy who does mostly nogi, no matter what the rules are.

There are definite subsets in grappling sports. I think it is important to maintain these subsets. What I dont think has any importance is exactly what you touched on; the nostalgia and folklore of these subsets. For whatever reason, catch wrestling has devolved into people who care more about history, lineage, and something that looks painful rather than what actually works against legit competitors.

 

[Human Bass]

It is, but there are definitely different preferences and routes that are used by those who slant toward a specific style. I would consider myself a catch wrestler over a straight up wrestler or traditional BJJ athlete. I have a black belt in BJJ. The route I take to get from point A to point B is vastly different than anyone I train with because of catch wrestling. The way a guy who almost only does gi is going to pass and sweep much differently than a guy who does mostly nogi, no matter what the rules are.

There are definite subsets in grappling sports. I think it is important to maintain these subsets. What I dont think has any importance is exactly what you touched on; the nostalgia and folklore of these subsets. For whatever reason, catch wrestling has devolved into people who care more about history, lineage, and something that looks painful rather than what actually works against legit competitors.

The thing is that two big principles of classical catch are seen as silly nowadays: lack of chokes and the idea of being on your back is the end of the world. What we see today as catch is basically grapplers who like to apply positions of folk and freestyle in a grappling context.

 

[yetanother]

It is, but there are definitely different preferences and routes that are used by those who slant toward a specific style. I would consider myself a catch wrestler over a straight up wrestler or traditional BJJ athlete

Are there other athletes that share you style? I assume it's a combination of wrestling and BJJ experience combined with the believe that less common attacks are effective rather then something mass taught or taken from a DVD.

 

[rmongler]

The thing is that two big principles of classical catch are seen as silly nowadays: lack of chokes and the idea of being on your back is the end of the world. What we see today as catch is basically grapplers who like to apply positions of folk and freestyle in a grappling context.

One of the most prominent catch wrestlers in history and perhaps one of the finest grapplers to ever walk the globe was Strangler Lewis, who was famous for his rear naked chokes.

 

[Human Bass]

One of the most prominent catch wrestlers in history and perhaps one of the finest grapplers to ever walk the globe was Strangler Lewis, who was famous for his rear naked chokes.

Much easier to get RNCs when the other guy is exposing the back afraid of losing by pin. =P

 

[rmongler]

Much easier to get RNCs when the other guy is exposing the back afraid of losing by pin. =P

Indeed, which is why catch wrestling is the superior grappling format for generating action and submission finishes.

 

[Xuh]

It's all grappling, the whole catch thing is dumb nostalgia. Well, even Hélio bjj is dumb nostalgia, he didn't know about triangles.

Wearing a Gi could also be described as 'dumb nostalgia'.

The thing is that two big principles of classical catch are seen as silly nowadays: lack of chokes and the idea of being on your back is the end of the world.

Those principles also apply to all other styles of wrestling - and Sambo, too.

People who grew up with these silly principles seem to be doing pretty well in MMA despite their handicap, though.

(dare I suggest, they are doing better than their non-silly schooled brethren?)

 

[Human Bass]

Wearing a Gi could also be described as 'dumb nostalgia'.



Those principles also apply to all other styles of wrestling - and Sambo, too.

People who grew up with these silly principles seem to be doing pretty well in MMA despite their handicap, though.

(dare I suggest, they are doing better than their non-silly schooled brethren?)

You mean guys that has also being trainning full grappling for years with top of the line bjj guys? Combat Sambo allow guard and chokes, Sport Sambo doesn't btw. Askren, Woodley, Khabib all have plenty of experience with submissions and dealing with the guard, Khabib himself has a quite amazing guard, even if we rarely see him using it.

 

[dsdoubled]

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idk if he taps the new catch wrestling champion cant think of guys name atm but hes issued challenges to josh but josh wont fight him he was a d1 wrestler from Michigan and fights at 185 i think the guys def more skilled than josh but josh will have a good 55 pounds on him

Who are you referring to? The Michigan wrestler who trains in cacc.

 

[yetanother]

Askren.

Askren has super good sport BJJ. I saw him teach a wrestling move while wearning a gi after jiu jitsu class so he must train in it at least sometimes.

 

[tekkenfan]

Who are you referring to? The Michigan wrestler who trains in cacc.

curren jacobs he was a d1 from mich and now trains at a top catch gym in cali he fought few times at 185 very humble guy josh got his bets student to fight him and the guy beta joshes student within 3 minutes and josh ignores him now

hes angry josh claims hes the greatest catch wrestler ever but has never even competed in catch wrestling rules cant really blame the guy he goes out fights guys 40 pounds larger or so and still wins and josh wont fight him so he can be given his dues