Is Alexander Shlemenko actually this bad?

[Amerikuracana]

I hope Sarnavski gets with a different camp.. Because unlike Storm, he is actually naturally athletic and has one punch power. Although Tiger has trouble getting off his back when tired, he has shown some decent offensive wrestling, and some decent TDD. He isn't going to take that final step into the top top echelon unless he gets with some guys that can finish rounding him out. I don't think Storm is the guy for that.

 

[eseseses681]

It's almost like people were just waiting for a chance to drop the hate-bomb on Shlemenko and talk about how overrated he is and everything he should be doing differently (which, of course, as it is wont to be from the armchair MMA coaches on Sherdog, is just repeating, "Work on grappling and cut weight and move to America permanently, cuz' that solves everything"). It's been four days since he lost and there're four threads on the first page of this forum dedicated to talking about just that. The amount of petty people on here is lame.

 

[Heat Vision]

Honestly I don't see Shelemenko cutting to 170. He'll continue to get mauled at 185 until his stock drops badly and he ends up in a crappy organization. His one trick of landing body shots has caught up to him.

 

[Durruti]

It's almost like people were just waiting for a chance to drop the hate-bomb on Shlemenko and talk about how overrated he is and everything he should be doing differently (which, of course, as it is wont to be from the armchair MMA coaches on Sherdog, is just repeating, "Work on grappling and cut weight and move to America permanently, cuz' that solves everything"). It's been four days since he lost and there're four threads on the first page of this forum dedicated to talking about just that. The amount of petty people on here is lame.

We are talking about a guy that was ranked around the top 10 long time not much time ago. I dont think to say this guy has been overrated is hating

 

[Amerikuracana]

He went 19-1 at MW over a 20 fight stretch. The new diet means he is done, but do not throw away that accomplishment because/if he is done being a top level MW. Over those 20 fights he has wins over:

Falcao
Baker
Vianna
Galesic
Marshall
Minowa
Hess (underrated guy, probably was going to beat Schlemenko had the knee not given out.. Top 5 Sherdog FF picture as well)
Rogers
Cooper
Paulino
Ward

Odds are, if you were not a really good fighter, you would have a slip up against one or two of those guys. The other guys he fought had winning records as well. Schlemenko won 18/20 before losing to Jakare as well. Dude has had a totally legit career and is just getting dumped on. Where is Chael Sonnen's 19/20 streak OUTSIDE the UFC? Against the same level comp?

 

[Durruti]

He went 19-1 at MW over a 20 fight stretch. The new diet means he is done, but do not throw away that accomplishment because/if he is done being a top level MW. Over those 20 fights he has wins over:

Falcao
Baker
Vianna
Galesic
Marshall
Minowa
Hess (underrated guy, probably was going to beat Schlemenko had the knee not given out.. Top 5 Sherdog FF picture as well)
Rogers
Cooper
Paulino
Ward

Odds are, if you were not a really good fighter, you would have a slip up against one or two of those guys. The other guys he fought had winning records as well. Schlemenko won 18/20 before losing to Jakare as well. Dude has had a totally legit career and is just getting dumped on. Where is Chael Sonnen's 19/20 streak OUTSIDE the UFC? Against the same level comp?

He has been a very good fighter. Still, those wins you posted, dont give you credit as a top ten fighter, barely a top 20.

 

[Amerikuracana]

He has been a very good fighter. Still, those wins you posted, dont give you credit as a top ten fighter, barely a top 20.

Oh bull crap. Brian Stann was in the top 10 off nothing but a win over Leben and Doug Marshall. He then beat Santiago as well, but gimme a break with that.. Soooo many guys have been in the top 10 in the UFC with having records like Schlemenko's run with a difference of about 4-5 more losses. Top 20 at best?? Who would be your 15th ranked guy that had the better record

 

[TonyK]

Oh bull crap. Brian Stann was in the top 10 off nothing but a win over Leben and Doug Marshall. He then beat Santiago as well, but gimme a break with that.. Soooo many guys have been in the top 10 in the UFC with having records like Schlemenko's run with a difference of about 4-5 more losses. Top 20 at best?? Who would be your 15th ranked guy that had the better record

But Stann is an American hero hurrdurrr

 

[Oblivian]

I remember arguing with someone that thought he'd be a top MW in the UFC.

 

[Durruti]

Oh bull crap. Brian Stann was in the top 10 off nothing but a win over Leben and Doug Marshall. He then beat Santiago as well, but gimme a break with that.. Soooo many guys have been in the top 10 in the UFC with having records like Schlemenko's run with a difference of about 4-5 more losses. Top 20 at best?? Who would be your 15th ranked guy that had the better record

I dont think noone considered Stann a top ten fighter. His wins are around the same level as Storm's though, and both have been pretty much dominated by more legit guys as Lombard, Bisping, Tito or Davis.

Anyways, not many guys has been ranked around the top 10 with a run like that for long time, of course you can break in the top ten, but the difference is that in the UFC, at that point, you get a step up in competition, and you get exposed. Shlemenko, in Bellator keep getting journeymans, preferibly brawlers. And of course, he gets exposed when he actually took a step up in competition

Definitely can mention 15 guys more legit than Shlemenko at MW, you dont think so?

 

[spikemma]

Let's keep it real, for a champion in a major org. he was pretty bad. He was by far the least skilled champ in Bellator and benefitted greatly from fighting in a terrible division. His toughness is without question his greatest attribute, his skills are very average. Worldwide there are probably 25+ MWs that are better than him and MW is a very top-heavy division.

It is true that he's a small MW, but he's a slow, plodding fighter and I'm far from convinced that dropping to WW would do much for his overall stock.

Let's keep it real, you are a 2011 black belt troll who don't know shit but Brock lesnar and kimbo.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I dont think noone considered Stann a top ten fighter. His wins are around the same level as Storm's though, and both have been pretty much dominated by more legit guys as Lombard, Bisping, Tito or Davis.

Anyways, not many guys has been ranked around the top 10 with a run like that for long time, of course you can break in the top ten, but the difference is that in the UFC, at that point, you get a step up in competition, and you get exposed. Shlemenko, in Bellator keep getting journeymans, preferibly brawlers. And of course, he gets exposed when he actually took a step up in competition

Definitely can mention 15 guys more legit than Shlemenko at MW, you dont think so?

Before his two losses, you could not give me 15 guys whose record indicated they deserved to be ranked higher.

As of this moment, right now, there is probably 25 guys that would be a favorite over him. Maybe 30. But you can't change the past. Nick Diaz KOing Andy would not change the past of Anderson Silva's career.

 

[spikemma]

It's almost like people were just waiting for a chance to drop the hate-bomb on Shlemenko and talk about how overrated he is and everything he should be doing differently (which, of course, as it is wont to be from the armchair MMA coaches on Sherdog, is just repeating, "Work on grappling and cut weight and move to America permanently, cuz' that solves everything"). It's been four days since he lost and there're four threads on the first page of this forum dedicated to talking about just that. The amount of petty people on here is lame.

It's not almost, it WAS.

People hate on the best division fighters outside of the UFC and the 3 last guys he lost two was crazy outweighed (looks wise) and who will be fighting for the UFC 170 title soon. They are great fighters and he lost his last two one on short notice. Some want then to lose because they don't like them I get it, but for people who said a.s. Would lose, you CALLED how it went down. We all get his weaknesses even me, I just thought the body shit would land first. Keep hating while he wins another 11 straight.

 

[Durruti]

Before his two losses, you could not give me 15 guys whose record indicated they deserved to be ranked higher.

As of this moment, right now, there is probably 25 guys that would be a favorite over him. Maybe 30. But you can't change the past. Nick Diaz KOing Andy would not change the past of Anderson Silva's career.

Jacare, Rockhold, Kennedy, Okami, Khalidov, Leites, Bisping, Lombard, Anderson, Weidman, Mu

 

[Amerikuracana]

Jacare, Rockhold, Kennedy, Okami, Khalidov, Leites, Bisping, Lombard, Anderson, Weidman, Mu

 

[Amerikuracana]

All the ELA type rankings had Storm at around 7 at his peak. At that time I was saying he was around #10 in the world.


It looks like Halsey is really good.

 

[tdluxon]

The Tito fight shouldn't be given much consideration. Schlemnko is a smallish MW and he stepped up on short notice to fight Tito, who is a really big LHW who probably outweighs him by 30+ pounds.

Never seen Hasley before but he looked pretty good and I think he also caught Schlemnko off guard

 

[VIP1349]

I think people are really being way too harsh on Storm, he has flaws but had an amazing streak before these two losses. Tito/Halsey are pretty much the exact kind of guy to beat him.

Let's see how he does in his next fight before we crucify him. Was he ever seriously Top 10 at Middleweight? Not a chance. But can he beat most 185ers outside the UFC? Sure.

He's hardly Top 5 Middleweights outside the UFC.

1. Okami
2. Branch
3. Khalidov
4. Halsey
5. Storm

 

[Durruti]

I think people are really being way too harsh on Storm, he has flaws but had an amazing streak before these two losses. Tito/Halsey are pretty much the exact kind of guy to beat him.

Let's see how he does in his next fight before we crucify him. Was he ever seriously Top 10 at Middleweight? Not a chance. But can he beat most 185ers outside the UFC? Sure.

He's hardly Top 5 Middleweights outside the UFC.

1. Okami
2. Branch
3. Khalidov
4. Halsey
5. Storm

He definitely can beat most 185ers outside the UFC. Its difficult to make a top 5 because it depends pretty much of styles. I can see wrestlers as Taylor, Carmont or Fukuda outgrappling Storm but that doesnt necessariliy means they are better than Shlemenko, or just the right match up.

 

[Oblivian]

I don't know if I'd say he could beat most in the UFC MW division. The roster is hard to decipher through, but I'd say there are several UFC MWs that I'd favor over Shlemenko. I think he'd be middle of the pack, if that.