Is 265 lbs weight limit right thing?

[Bearknuckle]

Everyone knows UFC heavyweights are C- or D+ level athletes. Francis Ngnannou would be the shortest guy on every basketball team. Think about that.

 

[HuskySamoan]

It's pointless, but on the other hand amount of guys who actually have trouble making 265 pounds while in serious MMA shape is very small, so it doesn't matter that much.

AFAIR Sean McCorkle was one dude in UFC who actually struggled.

There are athletes that exist who are legitimately too big to cut to 265lbs while not being fat like Shaq was a legit 330lb in his prime, Valuev who was 7ft and had literal giantism was also around 330lbs as a HW Champion in boxing. But there's so few guys even most of the big NBA guys like Giannis is naturally about 250lbs or Myles Garrett of the NFL is only about 270.

Dwight Howard 6'10 and one of the more muscular tall men in the NBA is 260-270lbs

JJ Watts 6'5 288lbs NFL defensive end

Mijain Lopez Greco Roman 4x Olympic Gold medalist 6'5 300lbs (when not cutting, he gets a little soft)

Chiyonofuji arguably Japan's greatest Yakozuna in Sumo. 6ft 280lbs

These dudes could all make 265.

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

HW should be openweight, boxing, kickboxing, muay thai they can weigh whatever they want, if they want to be 400 Ibs they can. its only MMA that does this silly 265 cap, get rid of it, it does nothing but prevent me from seeing very large men bang

 

[wwkirk]

Another thread that has been made a hundred times over the years. The answer, time and time again, is that the talent pool isn't big enough. Any guys who are that big, and fast and tough, etc., are going to play football, etc., for more money. MMA gets the rejects from the rest of the talent pool. I look forward to reading your next topic: "Would Brock beat Fedor," etc. Or did you already make that one? I forget.

But wait a minute. Your argument is solid against introducing Super Heavyweight. But what downside is there to simply removing the 265 ceiling? if there are no suitable huge guys, just don't sign them. Removing the ceiling does not require signing anyone who can't cut the mustard. But if, on some rare occasion, a qualified, giant athlete shows up, he can be brought in. Win, win, eh (as the Canadians say)?

 

[gato sin techo]

the problem with the superweight is that you get a bunch of morbidly obese fighters with less than 10 attacks in their fuel tanks. like ko in the first 3 minutes or nothing

 

[Brazilian007]

There are athletes that exist who are legitimately too big to cut to 265lbs while not being fat like Shaq was a legit 330lb in his prime, Valuev who was 7ft and had literal giantism was also around 330lbs as a HW Champion in boxing. But there's so few guys even most of the big NBA guys like Giannis is naturally about 250lbs or Myles Garrett of the NFL is only about 270.

Dwight Howard 6'10 and one of the more muscular tall men in the NBA is 260-270lbs

JJ Watts 6'5 288lbs NFL defensive end

Mijain Lopez Greco Roman 4x Olympic Gold medalist 6'5 300lbs (when not cutting, he gets a little soft)

Chiyonofuji arguably Japan's greatest Yakozuna in Sumo. 6ft 280lbs

These dudes could all make 265.

Agreed good post

 

[The Big Babou]

I dont know if brock was ever 300lbs (i doubt it since he's bigger now and probably still not 300lbs. he made 265 vs hunt pretty easily) but wwe might reserve the 300lb+ billing for their super heavyweights to make them sound more impressive. Could be why they would do that. They always say their huge guys are over 300 pounds

Rumour was he didn't make 265 against Hunt

 

[HHJ]

Imagine how greasy and fat the assassins in the Heavyweight Division will become if they ever find out that they can visit Burger King, Chipotle, Baskin-Robbins, Taco Bell, and every other place as many times as they want.

HHJ, what do you think about this thread? Do you still have the same opinion that you had years ago?



@HHJ

Yes I still feel the same. Barnett actually missed 265 limit. The fat guys would just get fatter.

 

[abject]

the problem with the superweight is that you get a bunch of morbidly obese fighters with less than 10 attacks in their fuel tanks. like ko in the first 3 minutes or nothing

Maybe in the d leagues. How do these fighters make it in the ufc pray tell. Francis would starch them in ten seconds.

 

[cmw43]

Another thread that has been made a hundred times over the years. The answer, time and time again, is that the talent pool isn't big enough. Any guys who are that big, and fast and tough, etc., are going to play football, etc., for more money. MMA gets the rejects from the rest of the talent pool. I look forward to reading your next topic: "Would Brock beat Fedor," etc. Or did you already make that one? I forget.

That doesn't really apply for the rest of the world outside of USA/Canada.

Also 99% of D1 athletes don't make the pro's, plenty of big athletic guys out there, they just don't want to get punched in the face for a living.

 

[cmw43]

If they're going to do that then it makes sense to have a category that's like 235lbs or 245lbs. Somewhere where the lighter quicker heavyweights like Stipe and Cain could compete without having to fight 400lb sumo guys that would just sit on them.

What guys currently in HW wouldn't be able to make 235/245lbs?

 

[Streeter]

should be like 206 to 240 is heavyweight and 241 n up is super HW

 

[HuskySamoan]

should be like 206 to 240 is heavyweight and 241 n up is super HW

Why? Most of the best HWs in boxing and MMA history would have no problem cutting to 240lbs (Cain, JDS, Gane, N'Gannou, Blaydes, Aspinall, Cro Cop, Fedor, Cormier, Minakov, Nogueira etc) and in boxing (Wilder, Fury, Tyson, Lennox, Vitali, Wladimir, Holmes, Foreman, Holyfield, Bowe etc) all make 240lbs easily.

I'm sorry, I mean this as respectfully as possible but why the fuck would you think a 240+lbs division should be necessary in MMA? boxing goes 175-200-Heavyweight, Freestyle wrestling goes 97kg then a giant gap to 130kg, Judo goes 172-209-HW (HW is unlimited in Judo).

The idea that guys like Lesnar/Ubereem in MMA or Tyson Fury/Valuev warrant a separate division is ridiculous, typically the big guys are not that dominant and there isn't enough talent in any combat sport ever to warrant it even if that wasn't the case.

I don't mean to be an ass but I feel like people who have this opinion probably take life advice from Joe Rogan.

 

[gato sin techo]

Maybe in the d leagues. How do these fighters make it in the ufc pray tell. Francis would starch them in ten seconds.

lol I'd watch whatever it's on. hopefully we'll get a super diabetes class soon

 

[fzoid4454]

The real question is whether prohibiting heavyweights from using PEDs is the correct thing. I'm sick of seeing obese heavyweights who are incapable of throwing more than 10 punches per round without gassing out.

That would seem to be an argument for a lower upper-weight limit, possibly.

 

[Candy Routure]

Are you suggesting the return of Big Timmy?? Because if so, I’m right on board!!!

 

[Dionysian]

They should make it OW. Not because currently it "isn't fair" to guys above 265, but rather because it isn't fair to 240 pound guys to not destroy those heavier people.

SOURCE: The last 20 years of fighting history where a 240 pound guy was the #1 HW on Earth for like 19 of those 20 years. History has shown the OW champ of the world will usually be a 240 pound guy.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

There are athletes that exist who are legitimately too big to cut to 265lbs while not being fat like Shaq was a legit 330lb in his prime, Valuev who was 7ft and had literal giantism was also around 330lbs as a HW Champion in boxing. But there's so few guys even most of the big NBA guys like Giannis is naturally about 250lbs or Myles Garrett of the NFL is only about 270.

Dwight Howard 6'10 and one of the more muscular tall men in the NBA is 260-270lbs

JJ Watts 6'5 288lbs NFL defensive end

Mijain Lopez Greco Roman 4x Olympic Gold medalist 6'5 300lbs (when not cutting, he gets a little soft)

Chiyonofuji arguably Japan's greatest Yakozuna in Sumo. 6ft 280lbs

These dudes could all make 265.

All except maybe JJ Watts...dude would melt USADA cups...


Just saying .....

265 is big enough ...too big even depending on your height ..

Size doesnt always win...in fighting


I agree with your point tho...these guys all could in theory

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Barnett is a superheavyweight and deserved a potn and fotn bonus this weekend. I mean yeah ik he's jusy fat but come on it's heavyweight. There is no limit in boxing. If a 400lb guy can compete with top athletes then let them imo.

 

[Kwic]

There is absolutely no reason to have a 265 limit. It actually takes away from "baddest man on the planet" moniker. There is a lame argument that they would all be fatties. This is just plain stupid. The fatso's that could potentially enter would not even make the top 30. Its a crime that guys like lesnar have to cut weight. And a travesty that some athletes out there cannot compete.

Agreed.

And IF a fat slob at 500lbs turns out to be the baddest mofo on the planet then so be it.