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Int.study shows wealth and high education are risk factors for Muslim radicalisation
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If the conclusion is to be believed (I'll read the study later), then this would seem to do damage to the idea/Islamic apologist statement that the people involved in violent Jihad are simply illiterate such that they can't understand Koranic scripture.
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Very concerning, but not very suprising from what we have seen in reality.
Only very few of the danish muslims who have taken up arms for ISIS in Syria were from low socio-economic areas or had any prior criminal record. Most of them have actually been relatively well educated (some even have/had master degrees).
The muslim immigrants running around and doing petty crimes (or even more serious violent crimes) are not the ones that support ISIS in a serious sense (they mostly do it to be provoking). They don't de facto practice Islam (they drink alcohol, take drugs etc.), but are actually more inspired from the black ghetto culture in the U.S than Islam.
When hizb ut tahrir holds conferences here in Copenhagen, I see plenty of muslims who I also see here at my university.
Though it's usually the violent gang members (from low socio-economic backgrounds) who the radical muslims can persuade/brainwash into committing violent acts/terrorism in the name of Islam. Much like what we saw here in Copenhagen last week.
Only very few of the danish muslims who have taken up arms for ISIS in Syria were from low socio-economic areas or had any prior criminal record. Most of them have actually been relatively well educated (some even have/had master degrees).
The muslim immigrants running around and doing petty crimes (or even more serious violent crimes) are not the ones that support ISIS in a serious sense (they mostly do it to be provoking). They don't de facto practice Islam (they drink alcohol, take drugs etc.), but are actually more inspired from the black ghetto culture in the U.S than Islam.
When hizb ut tahrir holds conferences here in Copenhagen, I see plenty of muslims who I also see here at my university.
Though it's usually the violent gang members (from low socio-economic backgrounds) who the radical muslims can persuade/brainwash into committing violent acts/terrorism in the name of Islam. Much like what we saw here in Copenhagen last week.
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Who is Hizb ut Tahrir, a radical preacher? How the hell is that even legal anyway. I'm all for free speech but inciting people to become terrorists? Surely that is illegal.
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A lot of Jihadis and would be Jihadis were doctors, engineers and came from middle class or affluent backgrounds.
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It's pretty much in line with most rebellious groups. The poor don't have the time or resources to devote to challenging the power structure. The truly wealthy have no reason to change the system.
Instead, it's the middle group - young, well off enough to have leisure time but not so well off that they're divorced from the problems in their society - that foments challenging the system.
Instead, it's the middle group - young, well off enough to have leisure time but not so well off that they're divorced from the problems in their society - that foments challenging the system.
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Obviously.
I know that most radical organizations draw strength from the illterate and uneducated as the bulk of the foot soldiers in organizations like ISIS.
I find this article interesting in that higher learning typically breeds an exchange of ideas not found in a typical high school setting. So ideas spread and disenfranchised young students become radicalized. This isn't surprising to me as the students have always been the ones to have radical ideas.
Red Guards in China, Occupy Wall Street, Arab Spring,etc have been led by young, well-educated students.
However, this is obviously overstated. For every one Jihadi John, there are ten foot soldiers who haven't had a chance at college and have been exposed to radicalization from an early age, so violence is all they know.
I know that most radical organizations draw strength from the illterate and uneducated as the bulk of the foot soldiers in organizations like ISIS.
I find this article interesting in that higher learning typically breeds an exchange of ideas not found in a typical high school setting. So ideas spread and disenfranchised young students become radicalized. This isn't surprising to me as the students have always been the ones to have radical ideas.
Red Guards in China, Occupy Wall Street, Arab Spring,etc have been led by young, well-educated students.
However, this is obviously overstated. For every one Jihadi John, there are ten foot soldiers who haven't had a chance at college and have been exposed to radicalization from an early age, so violence is all they know.
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LOL. Honestly, the whole poverty thing always seemed like a joke to me since some of the richest countries support and participate in jihad.
It reminds me of how people think of socialism as a poor mans ideology but it was all thought of and pushed by intellectuals that grew up with silver spoons in their mouths.
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I think it has more to do with the fat that they're the ones with access to education, and in Muslim countries there is no separation of Church and State. The "church" is the state.
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Jihadi Johns are the islamic version of Elliot Rodgers.
Losers with leisure time and no social success, so they turn to their little gang to rape and kill.
Thats why they immediatly puss out when they reach Syria.
Losers with leisure time and no social success, so they turn to their little gang to rape and kill.
Thats why they immediatly puss out when they reach Syria.
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Well you'd have to look at the make up of the people in these groups. I think they are always led by the wealthy for political motives because it requires resources, but the lower classes make great cannon fodder and are easy to motivate by appealing to their base instincts and emotions.
I guess it's the same as any military type organization.
In this context though the middle class does play a bit of an X factor. They have a certain amount of knowledge and independence that makes them less predictable. I think Pans comment is pretty accurate.
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Despite it's incessant media coverage, terrorist acts are themselves extremely infrequent given the size of the world and the amount of people in it.
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This doesn't surprise me at all. Islamic radicalism is an intellectual stance, it's not a populist movement. Who's more likely to get riled up about an ideology, a poor illiterate herder or a well read student who cares deeply about things like history and the fall of the Muslim world as a cultural force at the hands of European colonialists? In most ideological 'revolutions' you see students and intellectuals as driving forces with the masses only jumping on board after some tipping point is reached. The Russian Revolution was like this, for example.
One place where I have always diverged from the mainstream leftist view is on terrorism and its causes. It's clearly not about poverty or social justice or anything along those lines. It's about religion and redress for perceived historical sins committed by the West against Muslims with the express intent of creating theocratic Muslim societies that are at least as powerful on the world stage as the West, if not destroying Western culture entirely. It's a vision driven purely by religious ideology combined with a deep sense of historical grievance and disdain for Western cultural mores, so of course it's going to find followers among the religious intelligentsia who have first hand experience of the West.
One place where I have always diverged from the mainstream leftist view is on terrorism and its causes. It's clearly not about poverty or social justice or anything along those lines. It's about religion and redress for perceived historical sins committed by the West against Muslims with the express intent of creating theocratic Muslim societies that are at least as powerful on the world stage as the West, if not destroying Western culture entirely. It's a vision driven purely by religious ideology combined with a deep sense of historical grievance and disdain for Western cultural mores, so of course it's going to find followers among the religious intelligentsia who have first hand experience of the West.
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International study by ordinary people from all over the world also shows that jewish people with wealth and high education are causing wars right now. Not being truthful about those also makes it even worse.
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"Having sympathy" for terrorist actions and being the ones who commit the terrorist acts or who make up the active membership of ISIS are quite different.
If you find a study that shows that the rank and file footsoldiers (not the leaders) of ISIS are the most educated and wealthy of men in their region, then I'll be startled.
If you find a study that shows that the rank and file footsoldiers (not the leaders) of ISIS are the most educated and wealthy of men in their region, then I'll be startled.
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so true
this was the same for feminism as we know it today. you had rich, well-off broads in nice homes complaining about being oppressed because they dont have things to do or because they cant kill their unborn children and asking to be outside the home while poor, truly oppressed women of color were forcibly sterilized and kept from their families and never had homes to grow up in and WISHED they had a nice big home with a white picket fence to be with their familes. or its like when youll have a lesbian single woman who has never had kids writing books on how to raise children and have families and shit
but this article wouldnt surprise me. when i was in college all i did was see limp americans whove never had it truly hard whining and complaining about law enforcement, the military, etc., but will quickly call the police the moment someone steals their iphone or gladly enjoy taking flights to exotic countries with the petrol that the military more or less ensures the supply of. or even with all this re-education, youll have these lefty young white and american jewish instructors prompting their students to push radical ideas since the students dont have to abide by the same standards supposedly professional ppl do and have the time and privilege to mull over psychobabble, meanwhile working class people of color and poor whites in the military and blue collar sectors who are truly oppressed are too busy worrying about putting food on the table to debate the meaning of life or give two shits about some intellectual revolution and change
garbage all of it
