Inglourious Basterds (2009) review

This movie sucked.
There are a couple of scenes that are masterclass in suspense, and showcase truly wonderful filmmaking, but the rest of the movie is just so meh. I've never liked it and never understood the love it gets. It's boring, cartoonish, and anticlimactic. It feels like a comic book version of a war movie, but it's just not all that interesting. I am also not a fan of when QT changes real life events to fit his story. It causes a sort of cognitive dissonance that I don't like.

But I agree that this movie sucks and it's one of my least favorite QT movies.
 
Him as an opportunist makes sense, but not well established. He was so good in his job, it seemed he was in love with the Nazi's ideology. Maybe if there was a scene where Goebbels was talking down to him, it would make more sense for him to flip at the end.



He appeared in a scene before the basement scene, but what was he doing in the actual basement at that very moment? Did he get a lead on Diane Kruger being a spy? Maybe there was a scene that didn't make the cut.

True it wasn't super well established. I believe he did say something to Aldo about how he didn't care for the name Jew Hunter and he was simply doing as he was ordered to do, but he may have been trying to manipulate him.
 
There have been a number of threads about or related to this movie but just wanna give my two cents after finally watching it in full.

Even as a QT fan, when I first saw the trailer of this movie I thought it was cartoonish shit so I avoided it.

I have watched bits and pieces of it on TV but tuned out when I see something cringey. I liked the first part when the French farmer had to expose his secret, then that facepalm second part introducing the American cast.

The movie was very uneven in that the European cast far outperformed the American ones, it's like the cast belonged in separate movies. I like how QT was well researched and could put very articulate details to the dialogue and make it very compelling, only to kill that same mood when he shows "Quentin-isms" right after. He likes producing visceral and gory images even if it doesn't necessarily serve the narrative. He always makes the mistake of overemphasizing things in exposition, when some other filmmaker can do it more subtle and organic.

Samuel Jackson as a provider of exposition is a mistake, his voice was too recognizable. The use of music with electric guitars and amps were a mistake. Having a black man be a boyfriend of a French Jew was a mistake because that seemed like a statistic improbability for that setting. But then I realize, the title was purposely written as a mistake. So of course not everything should make sense! I was judging this movie wrong for so many years. Is Shosanna even an authentic French name? It doesn't even sound like an actual name for any nationality.

I have learned only recently is what "exploitation films" are as a genre. This film is supposed to feel like a B-movie. I realize this is what QT was emulating or paying tribute to, and even if I still find the execution clunky, I can appreciate it more now than I did when this movie was new.

The ending/resolution doesn't make any sense to me. Landa was a solid character and Christopher Waltz rightfully won numerous accolades for it but his motivation as the inflection point of the story is just puzzling. I have read threads on reddit which have different explanations for this and they make sense, but shouldn't the audience member figure out what a major plot point is without further research? Or was this a "Euro movie ending" Quentin was going for? I guess it was.

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Brad Pitt was ok but not great. I think QT meant for him to be a caricature of a southern American military officer, just like Hitler was a caricature of himself.

Fassbender was fantastic. This might be his best performance in his career so far. Even if I don't speak German I could tell his accent was off which was a plot point in the movie. I think QT is a frickin' genius for incorporating this into the story. Having watched the Kill Bill movies recently, I learned Uma Thurman unexpectedly became pregnant while filming the movies, which inspired QT to rewrite the script and resulted it to being two movies. I think casting Fassbender as a bilingual Scotsman/Englishman, then realizing he can't authentically portray a Nazi spy was of the same motivation. But what Fassbender did seem like was an actual person from that era, he reminded me of Errol Flynn. I think Michael watched a lot of old timey cinema to get into the role.

And this again is why the film felt uneven, because the American actors seemed just like people you might get seated next to on a plane ride. I can buy Diana Kruger as a German actress double-agent from that time and place but not Eli Roth as a Jewish American born during the Great Depression. Adam Sandler was supposed to play him, which might've been better, if what the Nazi hunters were supposed to be were a bunch of dimwits who always had to trip over their feet to get the job done.
You do realize Fassbender is literally German correct? As in, born in Germany…
 
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Solid film but with several superb scenes.
 
Waltz scenes are all 10/10 - dude managed to make causally eating a strudel menacingly evil. But the rest of the movie isn't as re-watchable as his other movies. Ranks at the bottom for me along with Hateful 8 and Kill Bill.
 
True it wasn't super well established. I believe he did say something to Aldo about how he didn't care for the name Jew Hunter and he was simply doing as he was ordered to do, but he may have been trying to manipulate him.
not every human decision needs to be setup by some annoyingly blatant movie trope to explain why said decision might have been made. humans are more complex than that.
 
10/10

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10/10 Bear Jew is the correct answer.

Would have loved to see a Bear Jew and Hugo Stiglitz team up side movie like Hobbs and Shaw from FF.
 
I became disappointed when it turned out the focus of the movie was the girl and not the actual soldiers.
That is likely why I dont argue much with folks that dont like this flick.
 
You could argue it does subvert expectations...

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You think from the name its going to be a dirty dozen style action thriller focused on the Basturds but really they are just used to bring together the characters its more interested in like Landa, Shosanna and Zoller or even Von Hammersmark and Archie Hitchcox.

Its more a series of tension filled conversations focused on those characters than it is an action thriller and I think works pretty well. Tarantino does look to publically sell himself only on "cool" he doesnt like to delve into politics or analysis but I do think films clearly have those elements with them. Perhaps not a clearly intended message but certainly the desire to do more than just entertain.

Landa espeically I think really hints at the idea that really a lot of those who went along with the Nazi's basically got away with it due to political pragmatism and that this was ultimately a very questionable thing.
 
I really enjoyed the movie, would've liked to have seen Adam Sandler as the Bear Jew though.
Where did you pluck that from? I liked Eli but would have been interested in Adam more.
 
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During that time, in France, there was a shortage on dairy. So they used pigfat (lard) as substitute to make creme. She knew this as well. Bare in mind, Jewish people are forbidden to eat pork. That is why Hans made her wait for the creme. He wanted to confirm his suspicions. He watched her eat it & right after she takes the bite, he knew. The look on his face says it all. This is not a act of kindness. This is next level pettiness & evil. The actress did a great job in selling the scene. Her uncomfortability is so genuine. I love how Tarentino doesn't treat his audience like fools. I'm surprised no one has commented this yet.
 
I'm not a fan of tarantino in general. Too much focus on style and aesthetics that comes off as a try hard, and not enough substance in plot and characters for me. That said, I don't find his movies particularly bad, and they do have glimpses of greatness in them, but like inglourious basterds, I just find them all to be okay overall.
 
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During that time, in France, there was a shortage on dairy. So they used pigfat (lard) as substitute to make creme. She knew this as well. Bare in mind, Jewish people are forbidden to eat pork. That is why Hans made her wait for the creme. He wanted to confirm his suspicions. He watched her eat it & right after she takes the bite, he knew. The look on his face says it all. This is not a act of kindness. This is next level pettiness & evil. The actress did a great job in selling the scene. Her uncomfortability is so genuine. I love how Tarentino doesn't treat his audience like fools. I'm surprised no one has commented this yet.



Did the Nazi Hans Landa recognize Shosanna in the restaurant? That's the big question presented by an iconic scene in Quentin Tarantino's 2009 film "Inglourious Basterds," and the answer lies in the ingredients of the strudel.

The most common misconception about the meaning of the scene is that Landa is using the strudel to determine whether or not Shosanna is Jewish (via Reddit). Because Landa places so much emphasis on the addition of cream, it's easy to jump to the conclusion that it has something to do with kosher dietary restrictions. Furthermore, because the film takes place during World War II and butter was heavily rationed, you could also assume that the pastry had been made with lard, a non-kosher substitute, instead. Either way, if Shosanna refused to eat the strudel, it would be a telltale sign that she's Jewish, thereby confirming Landa's suspicions.

This rationale, however, doesn't quite add up. As one entry on the "Inglourious Basterds" Fandom page points out, this couldn't have been Landa's intention because it would've been an ineffective tactic. Even if Shosanna was a strict Orthodox Jew and willingly ate the strudel, she technically wouldn't have broken any kosher rules because "all those are suspended when the situation requires you [to] do it to protect your life."

Assuming that the strudel in the film is a historically accurate representation of one made during World War II, it would've been kosher by default anyway. According to NPR, traditional strudel is pulled and stretched thin, rather than laminated and rolled out. That means there wouldn't have been any butter required for the strudel we see Hans Landa and Shosanna eating. If for whatever reason the strudel recipe did call for butter, it still wouldn't have been substituted for lard, because a high end restaurant, like Chez Maurice, would've had access to that ingredient.
 
Among his work, I rated it much higher in the 2-3 years after its release than I do now.

It was arguably my favorite movie from him for a
minute but unlike other QT movies. My rating for it has declined over the years. While films like Django, Kill Bill, TH8, and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood get better for me the more I watch them. IB doesn’t really.

I think it’s mainly because for me… In the near 3 hours, the film never truly comes close to matching the intensity of the first 20 minutes. The titular characters also get more ridiculous with each viewing.

I kind of agree with QT that if not for Christoph Waltz..there would’ve probably been no point in making the movie at all

This is just from the standard. It’s still a great fucking movie. I’m not saying it’s Death Proof or anything..which is still a solid movie on its own merits as well
 
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