In Pride, why weren't elbows allowed?

[OrigFan255]

I NEVER understood why Pride banned elbows BUT, allowed soccer kicks to the head and, skyscraper knees in a north south position.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind banning elbows?

 

[Mixfight]

Because they allow the guy on top to throw them at close range without having to posture up and actually GnP with good balance, creating space for the guy on bottom to shrimp and scramble- making fights flow and transition more making it more exciting.

Body elbows were allowed. Rampage killed Liddell with them.

I believe standing elbows should be legal but on the ground Pride had it right.

 

[thedevious]

Lol if anyone says cuts.

 

[Lucifer Alpha]

Because they allow the guy on top to throw them at close range without having to posture up and actually GnP with good balance, creating space for the guy on bottom to shrimp and scramble- making fights flow and transition more making it more exciting.

Body elbows were allowed. Rampage killed Liddell with them.

I believe standing elbows should be legal but on the ground Pride had it right.

Disagree.

Wanderlei would have benefited from elbows on the ground when Arona lay n' prayed him for fifteen minutes, and I can't imagine how much it would suck for a guy on bottom in the UFC if both upkicks and elbows were disallowed. Elbows are like the only effective strike one can throw off their back under the unified rules.

 

[glennrod]

I like the fact that PRIDE didn't have elbows, which is weird as I love them in Vale Tudo tournaments. I would rather have grounded knees than elbows

 

[Magnum1978]

Not exactly sure why Pride disallowed them, but for fighters having to fight multiple times in one night (which happened quite a bit) I can understand why the effects of having a cut (which is a more common consequence of elbows being legal) disadvantaged any fighter that needed to fight again carrying a cut, thus minimising that potential was to ban them to the head.

Personally, One Championship has the best rules

Elbows AND upkicks from the guard (and 'Royce Gracie' heels to the back/kidneys are legal too IIRC). Makes the guard a much more versatile and dangerous position. Under unified, it is effectively neutered.

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

Cuts.

They caused cuts and a lot of bleeding. Remember PRIDE stopped the fight and let the doctor in, and fighters get treated every time there was a cut.

 

[The Reed]

Lol if anyone says cuts.

Whats so funny about that?

 

[The Big Babou]

Cuts.

They caused cuts and a lot of bleeding. Remember PRIDE stopped the fight and let the doctor in, and fighters get treated every time there was a cut.

I'm pretty sure this was the reason... it's also what I remember Bas saying during one of the Pride broadcasts.

 

[The Big Babou]

Should've clarified: using elbows increaes the likelihood of fight-ending cuts which when compared to a fight-ending ko (from a strike) are not in the best interests of the fight.

 

[Ironmonger]

Because they allow the guy on top to throw them at close range without having to posture up and actually GnP with good balance, creating space for the guy on bottom to shrimp and scramble- making fights flow and transition more making it more exciting.

Body elbows were allowed. Rampage killed Liddell with them.

I believe standing elbows should be legal but on the ground Pride had it right.

That's exactly it. The best thing to make fights more exciting is to allow standing elbows but to ban them on the ground.

 

[SeoulRome]

I thought that it was the aversion to cuts/blood. Look how long they messed around during that Sapp/Akebono 'fight'.

 

[kikikhan]

I NEVER understood why Pride banned elbows BUT, allowed soccer kicks to the head and, skyscraper knees in a north south position.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind banning elbows?

Because of cuts.

In Pride, they didn't use vaseline until 2006 card in the USA, so elbows would cause way too many cuts.

To me elbows are like nut shots and shouldn't be a part of the sport.

 

[kimocomplex]

Pride was strange on the rules sometimes, I remember Guy Mezger throwing elbows to the hands i think because the opponent was holding on not allowing for the submission attempt and the ref said 'no elbows'

 

[Diet Butcher]

Less ground and pound, more standup (more exciting).

 

[eiyuu]

That's exactly it. The best thing to make fights more exciting is to allow standing elbows but to ban them on the ground.

No. To make fights more exciting you allow MORE techniques, not take them away.

 

[thedevious]

Whats so funny about that?

They statistically don't cause as many fight ending cuts as people would want you to believe. I'll have to dig up that study some gem did. I'd also like to see that study updated if it hasn't been already.

 

[Karelinator]

They statistically don't cause as many fight ending cuts as people would want you to believe. I'll have to dig up that study some gem did. I'd also like to see that study updated if it hasn't been already.

No one is saying anything about 'ending fights' just turning them into bloody mess, and elbows do that.

Japanese broadcasters hate blood a lot from whatever reason, see Akebono vs Sapp 2.

AND

They love(d) some same night tournaments.

Hard to enter entirely new fight while bleeding like slaughter cattle.

 

[thedevious]

No one is saying anything about 'ending fights' just turning them into bloody mess, and elbows do that.

Japanese broadcasters hate blood a lot from whatever reason, see Akebono vs Sapp 2.

AND

They love(d) some same night tournaments.

Hard to enter entirely new fight while bleeding like slaughter cattle.

If a fighter is cut but good to go, then let it happen. I prefer ONE's rules. They do it right. Don't limit fighters.

 

[moreorless87]

No one is saying anything about 'ending fights' just turning them into bloody mess, and elbows do that.

Japanese broadcasters hate blood a lot from whatever reason, see Akebono vs Sapp 2.

AND

They love(d) some same night tournaments.

Hard to enter entirely new fight while bleeding like slaughter cattle.

Very little blood in mainstream Japanese pro wrestling either, Chigusa Nagayo getting cut up in the 1980's caused All Japan Women to lose there TV deal for awhile even when the Crush Gals were massively popular.

As you say it would probably have been less of a case of tons more stoppages(although a few would likely have happened) and more fighters constantly needing to be cleaned up by the corners ala Fedor/Crocop.