If you had to choose between Trump or Pence

[Teppodama]

To finish out the next two years of the Presidency who would you choose?

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Personally, I'd take Pence. He's much closer to what you expect in a President as far as bearing and potential ability to work with Congress and World Leaders. I believe he'd be more consistent in his views
and he has that whole Conservative Boogeyman thing going for him which is almost guaranteed to bring the lulz.

 

[Milgrim]

This should be a pretty easy choice. The fact that there's even a discussion is unfortunate.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Of the two, Pence would be less likely to win in 2020. So Bible Mike I guess.

 

[Higus]

I probably wouldn't care for Pence's policies, but it least it would be easier to sleep knowing an adult was in charge.

It would be interesting to see what sort of cabinet Pence could put together. Could he actually bring in capable people and pull off an ambitious platform, or is he too tainted by his association with Trump at this point to do anything except damage control?

 

[S-dot]

Pence easily. Don’t agree with everything the guy says but I don’t agree with everything anyone says(not even myself as time rolls on.) At least there would be stability in the institutions of the government, which is literally the only thing keeping America from third world chaos.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

There'd be virtually no difference in policy since Trump has almost no genuinely held policy preferences and just cedes to the GOPs worst impulses on everything but Pence would be less likely to shit his pants his pants and launch the nukes.

I'd take Pence by a mile.

 

[KILL KILL]

Pence. I dislike a lot of his policies, but he's semi rational, and doesn't just lash out on a whim.

 

[zebby23]

Pence, I can deal with not agreeing with policies but I cannot deal with sheer and utter chaos and incompetence because that is what we have now. He is filling his cabinet with Fox News contributors for Jesus sake

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

It's a hard decision TBH.

Trump is obviously a national embarrassment, but Pence is 100% owned by the Kochs and serves them and the evangelical base first, which happen to be 2 of the worst groups to dictate policy. His Koch loyalty will drive his economics and his evangelical loyalty will drive his social policy - the worst of both worlds.


Then again, in practice Trump is already doing these things so I guess we might as well boot the twitter troll president so we can focus on the disastrous attempts to set America back instead of the investigations and social media bullshit.

 

[Teppodama]

I probably wouldn't care for Pence's policies, but it least it would be easier to sleep knowing an adult was in charge.

It would be interesting to see what sort of cabinet Pence could put together. Could he actually bring in capable people and pull off an ambitious platform, or is he too tainted by his association with Trump at this point to do anything except damage control?

I think he might actually be able to pull together a pretty good cabinet. He himself hasn't been alienating potentials. In fact, Pence has mostly been a ghost as far as this Presidency. Maybe it's all the bombast from Trump that makes Mike disappear into the background or the fact that he seems a rather quiet and contained guy for the most part.

 

[WalkenWouldOwn]

I believe he'd be more consistent in his views

Yeah this is important - you know what you're getting and where he's going to stand on everything. Trump is like a cat chasing a laser pointer, is willfully ignorant on pretty much every significant issue, and seems to want to dictate the direction of the country based on whatever pops into his head when he's got twitter open.

 

[irish_thug]

 

[bobgeese]

Trump no question. Pence is too far right for my taste.

 

[Higus]

I think he might actually be able to pull together a pretty good cabinet. He himself hasn't been alienating potentials. In fact, Pence has mostly been a ghost as far as this Presidency. Maybe it's all the bombast from Trump that makes Mike disappear into the background or the fact that he seems a rather quiet and contained guy for the most part.

In Fire and Fury, it's mentioned several times that Pence's office runs a very tight ship, especially contrasted against Trump. His staff is smart both in policy and media management. They never leak to the press. Let that sink in for a bit.

 

[Teppodama]

In Fire and Fury, it's mentioned several times that Pence's office runs a very tight ship, especially contrasted against Trump. His staff is smart both in policy and media management. They never leak to the press. Let that sink in for a bit.

Yeah, regardless of your stance on his policies he's a professional and expects the same from his staff. I actually like the guy. Can't say I agree with every position he has but I can respect his convictions. He at least seems to walk the walk.

 

[electricfuneral]

I hate religious people but I would probably go with Pence.

 

[HomerThompson]

Trump.

 

[nostradumbass]

Pence, but only if he hired Trump to manage his twitter account.

 

[kpt018]

Pence is objectively terrible and probably crazy too (his religious stuff is whacky) but I pick him easily. He's not covered in corruption and nepotism and would not be a total embarrassment like Trump is.

He is capable of making some of the same huge mistakes though.

There is one thing that would change my opinion. If we found out that secretly Trump has zero interest in going to war and would only do so if there were no other options and all of his talk was phony tough guy stuff I'd probably stick with Trump.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I don't really like this to be honest. I'll try to explain. Trump is the president. Under normal democratic circumstances, that's who we have, and that's that.

If we are talking in the theoretical situation of the results of the investigation, then I'll say Trump. If Mueller finds Trump never personally broke any law, then I go with Trump. He's who won and if he didn't do anything wrong then there's no reason for me to wish for Pence beyond that really.

If Trump is found guilty of having broke some crime, then I would say I have to take Pence. Even if I don't like Pence personal opinions on anything, a criminal as president is unacceptable above all else. Not because I like Pence or dislike Trump in this case (reality is I dislike both, but ignoring that for this scenario). But I don't care how much I like or dislike someone, if they broke the law they can't be president. That's it.


So cliffs:
If Trump were found to not have committed any crimes after investigation, then Trump. He's the president after all.
If Trump were found guilty of a crime, then Pence > a criminal.

Hopefully that makes sense.

Also I don't buy the "omg you should be afraid of Pence being president!" He's not a king, I think he knows that (Trump is a little unclear) and if Trump were to be bounced all the swing states he won would swing back the other way so hard it wouldn't be funny. Just my thoughts.