Social If we abolish police, what do we do with violent offenders?

[nhbbear]

Yeah, fair enough. I could have been clearer about my intent initially and I missed the posts after the op containing the additional info. But I was correct about the contents of the 3 links in the op. In all honesty, I was not trying to move any goal posts, FTR. All I intended was to ask what was giving you cause to believe this was something to be concerned about having a chance of ever happening because I didn't get that from the op.

I will look at the other posts and see what I can glean from them.

Peace.

I don’t think this could happen, but as I research this, there is a playbook that is being followed and they have 3 steps in play right now.
1. Challenge police and question their authority
2. Defund police
3. Replace police duties with unarmed civilians
4. Abolish or weaken capitalism
5. Abolish police

 

[nhbbear]

Almost certainly they would be far worse. There would be punishment though, it just wouldn't be jail- likely fines for minor offenses, or death/blood money for murders. With no cops, there's no one to stop the headman and his lads from stringing someone up. Obviously, a ton of innocent people would be hung without the proper process of trial and rules of evidence. This is not a good future, I'm just pointing out what it looks like in Waziristan.

It would be like the feudal system where you would have to check in and pay homage to a warlord of any city you wished to enter

 

[WhiteMousse]

I don't think that most people really want to abolish the police. I think people want better training and a more discriminate process in enrolling people as officers

 

[Terry Noonan]

Nothing just let them bang bro.

 

[koquerelle]

The amount of people that are comfortable with the idea of a federalized police force is amazing.

I don't want a federalized police force, I think every country needs Federal hiring rules. We see too many people who should never be cops. I once saw a dwarf policeman on Cops. Police force need more money to hire the right people and give them the right training. Anyone crying to defund the police is a fucking moron.

 

[tramendous]

There is no straw man. The links I posted and there are soooo many more, flat out call for abolishment of all police and prisons

The strawman isnt that those people dont exist its that theyre hyped up and put up front to discredit the more reasonable positions. Same with how communism and other boogey words like socialism are carted out to discredit free healthcare.

 

[nhbbear]

The strawman isnt that those people dont exist its that theyre hyped up and put up front to discredit the more reasonable positions. Same with how communism and other boogey words like socialism are carted out to discredit free healthcare.

So, what you are saying is that these crazies are being given the spotlight to defeat the defund movement?

It would be ingenious, but I don’t buy it because of who controls the media

 

[MaxMMA]

You kill them on sight, is what to do with them. Then you have your pick of the feminist, liberal women, who will be clamoring head of foot to be protected by men that don't consume soy lattes.

 

[nhbbear]

I don't want a federalized police force, I think every country needs Federal hiring rules. We see too many people who should never be cops. I once saw a dwarf policeman on Cops. Police force need more money to hire the right people and give them the right training. Anyone crying to defund the police is a fucking moron.

If they raised the pay, you could actually get decent people applying, but no one would do the job now. So they will have to raise the salary just to get anyone when they missed the window 29 years ago to have pay incentives for college education on an increasing scale. I just saw my old dept offering sign on bonuses of 20k because they are so desperate.

 

[nhbbear]

You kill them on sight, is what to do with them. Then you have your pick of the feminist, liberal women, who will be clamoring head of foot to be protected by men that don't consume soy lattes.

Just imagine the musk of a green haired anarchist woman-at least I think it’s a woman

 

[tramendous]

So, what you are saying is that these crazies are being given the spotlight to defeat the defund movement?

It would be ingenious, but I don’t buy it because of who controls the media

Yes any practical left policy hurts the power of the corporatocracy whether its free healthcare/education or less people to feed the biggest prison system in the western world. The right often memes about the left eating itself but at the end of the day its the elites making the public fight eachother and scaring them into going against their own best interests.

 

[HunterAcosta]

Knight them .

 

[evansusmc2]

Just for my own enjoyment I'd like to see a social worker or two deal with a person that just assaulted a couple. Pretty sure it'd result in a wake up call for all lefties that asked for it.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Just for my own enjoyment I'd like to see a social worker or two deal with a person that just assaulted a couple. Pretty sure it'd result in a wake up call for all lefties that asked for it.

It wouldn't. They'd sweep it under the carpet and frame the attacker as being misunderstood or prejudiced against, while completely ignoring the injured or dead social worker(s). They would rather that than admit they were wrong - they've been raised and conditioned to believe absolutely in victimhood, it's all they can see in any human interaction and all they will ever see in any human interaction. They don't believe in personal responsibility or consequences for one's actions - the attacker will ALWAYS be blameless for one reason or another.

 

[nhbbear]

It wouldn't. They'd sweep it under the carpet and frame the attacker as being misunderstood or prejudiced against, while completely ignoring the injured or dead social worker(s). They would rather that than admit they were wrong - they've been raised and conditioned to believe absolutely in victimhood, it's all they can see in any human interaction and all they will ever see in any human interaction. They don't believe in personal responsibility or consequences for one's actions - the attacker will ALWAYS be blameless for one reason or another.

They would use it as an opportunity to double down on “getting more funds into the community to meet the needs of the man that just killed their social worker. If he had housing, he likely wouldn’t have been in the street where our team found him in distress. But it could have been worse, the police could have come here snd shot him and that would put him at a disadvantage to receiving the type of care that he so clearly needs”

 

[The_Renaissance]

They would use it as an opportunity to double down on “getting more funds into the community to meet the needs of the man that just killed their social worker. If he had housing, he likely wouldn’t have been in the street where our team found him in distress. But it could have been worse, the police could have come here snd shot him and that would put him at a disadvantage to receiving the type of care that he so clearly needs”

"Thoughts and prayers with the dead social workers and their families, but white supremacy is the biggest threat to this country and the man who killed them had suffered from this his entire life."

 

[nhbbear]

"Thoughts and prayers with the dead social workers and their families, but white supremacy is the biggest threat to this country and the man who killed them had suffered from this his entire life."

exactly

 

[tonni]

You kill them on sight, is what to do with them. Then you have your pick of the feminist, liberal women, who will be clamoring head of foot to be protected by men that don't consume soy lattes.

Are you a tough guy?

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

This is a question I often ask when reading about the abolishment of police. What do we do with rapists and murderers if there are no police to respond to these crimes. What do we do with the offenders if they are known? If there are no prisons, are these offenders left in society?

I read dozens of articles looking for an answer. The common answer is that without police, we have millions of dollars or more to devote to creating jobs, equity, and equality as well as addressing the needs of potential offenders and why they commit crime. But not one of these articles presents a clear answer with what to do with people that rape and murder. The closest I got to an answer was reformative and restorative justice or having a small group of social unarmed social servants that respond to such crimes and see that the needs
Of the victims and their families are met.

Not one of the sources I was able to find answered the question. One responds with more questions such as what are police actually doing about these crimes now? In fact, they claim that police are responsible for many rapes and murders.

Simply put, they have no answer with what to do with violent offenders that rape and murder without police or prisons. I challenge anyone to provide an answer or some answer as to what to do with those who commit violence in a society without police or prisons.

I think without police, we see more people taking justice into their own hands. I think we have more crime instead of less with no way to address violence or protect victims. The most violent gangs would run their territory anyway they see fit and will be responsible for almost all the violence. The common response would be capital punishment for offenders not part of the gang. The truth is that without police, violence goes unchecked and unchallenged. These same people wanting to abolish the police would be victims themselves with no redress for their victimization and with no way to force someone to submit to their new reformative justice, their solution is worse than even the most violent police we have now. Rich people would hire armed security while the rest of the population will not have access to these services. What’s to stop mass shootings, serial killers, gang violence, snd robberies without police-even lynchings and race related violence?

Again, someone provide a non violent way to deal with rapists and murderers in a society without police or prisons.

https://transformharm.org/what-about-the-rapists-and-murderers/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/17/abolish-police-sexual-assault-violence

https://www.peoplesworld.org/articl...on-re-imagining-public-safety-and-liberation/

Good listen here. Timestamped. (not to mention the whole interview)



Another one:

 

[mkess101]

You’re not wrong. Unfortunately some of those people not in their right minds are prominent members of our federal government



No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed.

So on the one hand we have people in this thread screaming "Strawman! Strawman! Nobody of any consequence says to abolish the police!!"

Aaaaaand...here we have a US Representative, an actual FUCKING LAWMAKER, that's advocating for EXACTLY that.

"But but but...that's not really what she means!" "But but but...she's just a junior congresswoman spouting off...she doesn't REALLY matter!"

What a bunch of sad, sad ostriches that think this is inconsequential. Talk about out of touch.