If Ukraine is partitioned how should it be split up?

[SouthoftheAndes]

Unless we (the west want to risk World War III) we should realize that we won't be able to stop Russia fighting for its interests in Ukraine and we cannot continue to be hypocritical about what referendums, independent secessions, and annexations we choose to support and those we choose to oppose for political reasons.


I call for the immediate recognization of Crimea as Russian territory and the recognition of the Peoples Republic of Luhansk and the Peoples Republic of Donetsk

The truth is Ukraine is too divided today to stay whole it must be partitioned for the greater good and for true lasting peace and solidarity and unity of people.


Ukraine is SOOO divided that in the far West you have Ukrainians honoring Nazis

https://www.rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/

^^ Honoring NAZI SS Division in Western Ukrainian city of Lviv

Meanwhile in the far East these girls are happy to have their own symbol of identity and separation from an increasingly fascist and overly nationalistic neo nazi Ukraine. (DOWN BELOW)

^^ Proud girls from the Luhansk Peoples Republic.

 

[GhostZ06]

one major problem...



all the old soviet unions lost military factory and military company's are very near the Russian Ukrainian border

 

[MadSquabbles500]

one major problem...



all the old soviet unions lost military factory and military company's are very near the Russian Ukrainian border

Why is that a problem? Are you saying this is more a problem for Ukrainians?

Why did the Russians even bothering giving the Ukrainians all those lands along the Black Sea when it is predominantly Russian anyways? They did not give the Belorussians a thing.

 

[HomerThompson]

All the hot chicks on one side, all the uggos and dudes on the other side. The west gets the hot chick side. Russia gets the uggos and dudes. The end.

 

[Fawlty]

Let's not. The ensuing war would be a gigantic fucking mess.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Why cant they all just get along? There languages are similar enough. They all look alike.



By the way, would mail order this girl in the vid as a bride.

 

[Bald1]

Why is that a problem? Are you saying this is more a problem for Ukrainians?

Why did the Russians even bothering giving the Ukrainians all those lands along the Black Sea when it is predominantly Russian anyways? They did not give the Belorussians a thing.

You know, I never did understand why they handed Crimea to the Ukraine. I know the reason given was due to bureaucratic simplicity, but it makes no sense. It was a piece of the motherland for around 250 years filled with ethnic Russians, just like today, and they just gave it away. Weird.

 

[Pwent]

which part is friendliest to americans?

in case i need a melania-esque eastern euro trophy wife

 

[Egelo]

Russia should take much of the east and do a population swap, throw some free gas in for the poor ukrainins.

Poland needs to men up and take back Lwow and areas surrounding it, booting the ukrainins more east towards Kiev.

Moldova should bring in the areas bordering it with lots of their people.

 

[GhostZ06]

Why is that a problem? Are you saying this is more a problem for Ukrainians?

Why did the Russians even bothering giving the Ukrainians all those lands along the Black Sea when it is predominantly Russian anyways? They did not give the Belorussians a thing.

uh... 80 percent of Russia’s nuclear warheads are loaded in missiles designed or manufactured in Ukraine and originate from the former Soviet Union. Also some of there space industry componets come from the
Ukrainian facility's. We wont even get into the the tanks, aircraft and other arms industries around the area the TS marked.


http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/02/russia-needs-ukraine-to-fulfill-its.html

 

[MadSquabbles500]

uh... 80 percent of Russia’s nuclear warheads are loaded in missiles designed or manufactured in Ukraine and originate from the former Soviet Union. Also some of there space industry componets come from the
Ukrainian facility's. We wont even get into the the tanks, aircraft and other arms industries around the area the TS marked.


http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2015/02/russia-needs-ukraine-to-fulfill-its.html

Oh so a lot of Russia's military industrial complex is located and in the hands of the Ukrainians? You would think Ukraine have a more powerful military.

 

[Rusk]

I wondering if people here understand that TS just quoting (old) propaganda from RT?

I mean even Russians are now starting to understand that this is BS.

With that said i doubt Russia want to split Ukraine. If West will look the other way Russia will take the whole cake.

 

[Rusk]

Why cant they all just get along? There languages are similar enough. They all look alike.

Because even if everything is very similar, the state mentality is different. Ukrainians are more freedom loving, they are not into cult of personality and big governments, historically they are also more westerners. Then you got homosovieticus (also known as Russians although, the name is misleading, real Russians are minority in Russia) they got huge problem with homosexuality since majority likes it when the state fucks them in the ass, cult of personality is also definitely a thing, and of course they are into big governments.

Then you got Belorus... drunk farmers

All 3 are corrupt as fuck thought.

 

[Egelo]

I wondering if people here understand that TS just quoting (old) propaganda from RT?

I mean even Russians are now starting to understand that this is BS.

With that said i doubt Russia want to split Ukraine. If West will look the other way Russia will take the whole cake.

Why would they even want tens of millions of psychotic kranins ?

Logically aren't they better of leaving a smaller independent Ukraine.

 

[Bagatur]

Putin doesnt want Eastern Ukraine, probably never did, or at very least stopped wanting it as soon as Ukraine started bombing it. there is no need to partition it.

 

[Prex32]

hopefully not something like in bosnia
clinton made half of bosnia look like saudi arabia 2.0
in the middle of europe
thx bill

 

[Rusk]

Why would they even want tens of millions of psychotic kranins ?

Logically aren't they better of leaving a smaller independent Ukraine.

If you listen to interviews from Donbass fighters they are always want to take Kiev and even Lvov, never have i heard that they say we just gonna take Odessa and then we are done.

If by psychotic kranins you mean Ukrainians who does not buy into Putin`s BS then Russia will not avoid them just by taking the East. Majority of people fighting on Ukrainian side are Russian speaking Ukrainians from Eastern Ukraine.

Logically it is better to not have War at all, and if Russia wants to take Ukraine they should become USA 2.0 and an economic powerhouse that will guarantee (at the very least officially, doesn't have to be objectively so) rights, freedom and economic stability. Then Ukraine and maybe even Belarus and Moldova will want to be part of Russia.
For now both Ukraine and Russia are total shit politically speaking so Ukrainians have only a choice between their shit and Russian shit, not much of a choice imo.

Now of course that will never happen because ratings is important for Putin, he needs outside enemy to stay in power and he is a total shit when it comes to internal politics since he does not give a shit about average Russian (to be fair neither does average Russian).

I think most realistically Russia will not expand yet, and Donbass will be Putin`s Hamas in Eastern Ukraine. Their main purpose will be to shit on neighbors doorstep.

 

[Egelo]

If you listen to interviews from Donbass fighters they are always want to take Kiev and even Lvov, never have i heard that they say we just gonna take Odessa and then we are done.

If by psychotic kranins you mean Ukrainians who does not buy into Putin`s BS then Russia will not avoid them just by taking the East. Majority of people fighting on Ukrainian side are Russian speaking Ukrainians from Eastern Ukraine.

Logically it is better to not have War at all, and if Russia wants to take Ukraine they should become USA 2.0 and an economic powerhouse that will guarantee (at the very least officially, doesn't have to be objectively so) rights, freedom and economic stability. Then Ukraine and maybe even Belarus and Moldova will want to be part of Russia.
For now both Ukraine and Russia are total shit politically speaking so Ukrainians have only a choice between their shit and Russian shit, not much of a choice imo.

Now of course that will never happen because ratings is important for Putin, he needs outside enemy to stay in power and he is a total shit when it comes to internal politics since he does not give a shit about average Russian (to be fair neither does average Russian).

I think most realistically Russia will not expand yet, and Donbass will be Putin`s Hamas in Eastern Ukraine. Their main purpose will be to shit on neighbors doorstep.

Busted my ass from loughing, so true.

Yahh seen that from Ruskis, Yay Rosiya while who the fuck cares about the actual average guy.

To be fair its all quiet in chechnya so yahh yahh i kinda reluctantly agree. Still the entire Ukrainin east will be a much playful playground.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Why cant they all just get along? There languages are similar enough. They all look alike.



By the way, would mail order this girl in the vid as a bride.

Possibly because it's the same girl doing the 3 accents in the vid.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I am pretty sure that the West messing arund with nato in the region didn't help this region's state of affairs.