If Romero wins, who is Whittaker's next opponent?

[giusti825]

Marreta and Borrachinha are the only ones on streaks as far as I know.

Marreta 4-fight streak.
Borrachinha 8-fight streak, but only 3 in the UFC.



Borrachinha is young and shouldn't be rushed. Marreta is on a great steak, but he hasn't beaten top names, was destroyed by Mousasi, and lsot to Eric Spicely not that long ago.

He probably cant get a figght with a top name because they all just keep fighting eachother....no matter how bad of a recent record eachother have.....

The guys i feel worst for are the fighters ranked from 16-30.....

Look at James Vick....the guy cant lose....but he cant get a fight with anyone in the top 15 because they all think they can camp on their rankings just fighting eachother....

If there is a dude on an 8 fight win streak, then he should be the one getting the loser of this fight.

How are the rankings ever going to get a shake-up for the new generation if the the old one can maintain there spot without success....

 

[johncola]

Did people believe Luke Rockhold was the best MW in the world? Because GSP just smashed and strangled the guy who knocked Luke out cold. KO ing a guy who is the best in the world makes you pretty good. Conor is pretty good, he KO'd Aldo and he KO'd Alvarez but Bisping showed up to defend his MW belt twice which is two time more then McGregor. People still believe Conor is the best LW in the world.

Maybe those people were looking at fighters' skills and styles instead of their rankings, records, and title defenses.

 

[TouchButtDork]

People acting like he took the fight on 7-10 days notice. If you can't cut to the weight you fight at in 4 wks then you should be fighting in a different weight class

Just a few years ago it was much easier but now with the IV ban it might be harder to make weight without a proper camp. Easy to judge as a fan, but not very fair or logical

 

[johncola]

Just a few years ago it was much easier but now with the IV ban it might be harder to make weight without a proper camp. Easy to judge as a fan, but not very fair or logical

IV ban doesn't help fighters make weight; it only helps them rehydrate.

 

[TouchButtDork]

IV ban doesn't help fighters make weight; it only helps them rehydrate.

So can't they cut more extremely when they know they have IV hydration waiting on the other end?

 

[podsox]

Just a few years ago it was much easier but now with the IV ban it might be harder to make weight without a proper camp. Easy to judge as a fan, but not very fair or logical

No it's logical. If you want to get a huge size advantage then you better make weight. If not, shut up and move up

 

[Gilday]

If Romero wins let's get Romero vs Gastelum and Jacare vs Weidman. Whoever wins their fight in the most impressive fashion can fight Whittaker

MW is such a mess

 

[CieloLuce]

I know this is stupid to put on this thread, but I want Yoel to win because it would so mean much more to Cubans than Rockhold winning. If Rockhold wins no one in the states would celebrate it, while in Cuba it would glorify the UFC belt(it would mean something, this for old school who saw fighters defend the UFC like it meant something). Don't get me wrong I couldn't pick between the two(I like Luke Rockhold, actually a fan).

 

[TouchButtDork]

No it's logical. If you want to get a huge size advantage then you better make weight. If not, shut up and move up

Yeah maybe he should. But maybe they should have given him a full camp too. Maybe they should stop creating interim belts too. I could go on all day

 

[dipstickjimmy]

GSP was underdog vs Whittaker when that line existed.

I disagree with you and think he'd be underdog against both. And more importantly, I think he'd lose to both.

Odds makers use the line to keep the action balanced. If people had to bet 1:1 just picking a straight up winner GSP is the favourite. More people bet on him and he is better then 50/50 against both. We can agree to disagree and I don't believe either fight will happen. If either of Woodley or Whittaker were a draw at all GSP fights them. He is the WW GOAT, all time P4P GOAT and has earned the right to choose to fight who where and when he fights. He isn't holding up titles and divisions. Whittaker has had health issues and we don't know when he will fight again. It looks like it might be a full year between fights for him now. Conor has been a champion for over 2 years and in 2 divisions and completely healthy but not a single defense. But GSP gets sh!t on for making his health a priority over booking his next fight minutes after his win? He had a record 9 defenses at WW and vacated to let the company move on with the division. He could have pulled a Conor move and just waited it out with the title and force an Interim and then them strip him but he was honorable. If the UFC wasn't in Aussie tomorrow GSP could have held the belt and waited to see when he would fight next. But Dana was throwing a hissy fit so he vacated the MW belt and let him move on with the MW division.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Maybe those people were looking at fighters' skills and styles instead of their rankings, records, and title defenses.

Not sure what you mean? Which people, which fighters? Records and title defenses are a concrete reflection of one fighters skill and style when directly pitted against another. So was Luke the best on paper or based on his record or was he not the best at all?

 

[Toco]

You're just listing Weidman's negatives though. You can do the same for everyone else:

ROMERO: Whittaker only just beat Romero, Romero can't make weight, Romero was losing to Weidman, he arguably deserved to lose to Jacare, he had the USADA issue

JACARE: Jacare is only on a 1-fight streak, Whittaker absolutely destroyed him, that fight wasn't that long ago

ROCKHOLD: He's coming off a loss to Romero, has generally been inactive, and got KO'd by the guy who got KO'd by that "overweight WW"

GASTELUM: He's an "overweight WW" and he lost to Weidman.



I wanna see the Weidman fight because it's a fresh matchup for Whittaker. He beat Kelvin, and IMO has a better chance of beating Whittaker than Kelvin does. We've already seen Rob beat Yoel and Jacare, and recently.

no, weidman hasn't done shit in ages. romero came close to winning against whittaker, he can make weight, this was a shor tnotice fight. romero brutally destroyed weidman, jacaré fight was like 10 years ago and he doesn't have any USADA issues
jacaré is a tough one, but wouldn't mind seeing a rematch

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

I'd love it to be Sam Alvey, but I know it probably won't be. Anyone but Weidman

 

[Quietus]

If Romero wins then he will probably fight for the title before the year is over even without that fake belt.. thats why interim belts are stupid and mean nothing.

 

[mime]

Shoulda freaking paid mousasi

 

[johncola]

Not sure what you mean? Which people, which fighters? Records and title defenses are a concrete reflection of one fighters skill and style when directly pitted against another. So was Luke the best on paper or based on his record or was he not the best at all?

The people that believe Conor is the best in the world. Or any people other than you, who is clearly looking at fighters' records, number of title defenses, and rankings to determine how good they are. Rather than paying closer attention to detail by looking at what the fighters are capable of doing in the cage.

Conor is the fighter. Or any fighter, in judging how good they are are fighting.

Records and title defenses give a general idea of fighters' skills and styles. It's better to look at how the fights went. Why did those fights go the way they went? The content of the fight matters more than the result.

I'm not sure what period you're referring to regarding Luke. You could make an argument that he's the best MW in the world. He's much more likely to be than GSP is. I'm talking about how good he is at fighting; I'm not rating his record of accomplishment.

 

[johncola]

no, weidman hasn't done shit in ages. romero came close to winning against whittaker, he can make weight, this was a shor tnotice fight. romero brutally destroyed weidman, jacaré fight was like 10 years ago and he doesn't have any USADA issues
jacaré is a tough one, but wouldn't mind seeing a rematch

I don't think you read my post. The guy listed Weidman's negatives, so I did the same for other middleweights.

You're listing Romero's positives and Jacare's positives. I can do the same for Weidman:

Weidman was winning against Rockhold, Romero, and Mousasi. Had he not thrown that spinning kick, he was on his way to winning, getting the better of Rockhold on the feet, who appeared to be shinny against Branch. The Romero knee was a freak occurrence that doesn't happen most of the time, and Weidman woulda won had it not. The Weidman/Mousasi ending was another freak occurrence and a clusterfuck of errors. Weidman would still be undefeated if not for these losses. Whittaker/Weidman is a fresh fight, unlike Whittaker/Jacare and Whittaker/Yoel. Weidman has never missed weight.

You see what I mean?

 

[johncola]

Odds makers use the line to keep the action balanced. If people had to bet 1:1 just picking a straight up winner GSP is the favourite. More people bet on him and he is better then 50/50 against both. We can agree to disagree and I don't believe either fight will happen. If either of Woodley or Whittaker were a draw at all GSP fights them. He is the WW GOAT, all time P4P GOAT and has earned the right to choose to fight who where and when he fights. He isn't holding up titles and divisions. Whittaker has had health issues and we don't know when he will fight again. It looks like it might be a full year between fights for him now. Conor has been a champion for over 2 years and in 2 divisions and completely healthy but not a single defense. But GSP gets sh!t on for making his health a priority over booking his next fight minutes after his win? He had a record 9 defenses at WW and vacated to let the company move on with the division. He could have pulled a Conor move and just waited it out with the title and force an Interim and then them strip him but he was honorable. If the UFC wasn't in Aussie tomorrow GSP could have held the belt and waited to see when he would fight next. But Dana was throwing a hissy fit so he vacated the MW belt and let him move on with the MW division.

Straw man. Did you or did you not say GSP would be betting favorite against Whittaker?

Don't tell me about how bookmakers set lines; it's a whole new subject, and one I probably know more than you about. You're saying that more people would bet GSP at even odds than they would Whittaker? If that were the case, then GSP would become favorite, and Whittaker the underdog. That's how bookmakers adjust odds. Yet, Whittaker was favorite. Maybe more money was coming in on Whittaker, and you're just wrong? You're capable of being wrong, no?

You rambled on big time here. I have to respond, but I'll spoiler tag it:

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I'm very confident neither fight happens. I do agree that it'd be a game changer were any of them a draw though.

I think GSP has the GOAT record, but I don't think he's the GOAT WW fighter. Woodley and Wonderboy and Rory are all better fighters. And there are probably more.

"earned the right" holds very little meaning as far as I can tell. What are you actually saying is true with that statement?

By "he isn't holding up titles and divisions" I think you're just talking about him giving up the title. We agree that he did that.

Agreed on Whittaker, but I'm not sure what this has to do with anything we've been talking about.

Conor has been negotiating with the UFC. Before that, he fought Floyd Mayweather. He takes chances and tries to finish fighters, while GSP doesn't. And he's been way more active than GSP since 2013. I don't care that he is champion and GSP isn't; as far as I can tell, that's a good thing. It's good to be champion.

GSP definitely made health his priority, and should continue to do so by not fighting Whittaker or Woodley. He was never fighting either of them though, regardless of his "illness". GSP wasn't honorable, he just didn't wanna fight anymore. Conor does. Divisions aren't held up by Conor or GSP not fighting; all fighters are free to fight. The only hold up is the one in your head and other fans' heads, in that you can't take your mind off the titles and rankings. Just enjoy fights, you'll be a happier fan. GSP was never gonna defend the title, and that's why he was stripped. He came back for money, an achievement, and a fight with a guy he fought he could beat. That's it. He was never the best MW in the world, and he was never really champion.

 

[johncola]

So can't they cut more extremely when they know they have IV hydration waiting on the other end?

I don't think it makes a significant difference. Fighters are pushing themselves as it is. They put themselves through shit and worry about rehydration later.

So you're saying Romero wasn't fully committed to making weight because he was afraid of not having an IV? If that was the case, and he had more left, wouldn't he have been able to cut those extra 2 pounds in the 2 hours?

 

[Pakman]

Weidman doesn't deserve a shot at Rockhold if Rockhold loses.....

How fucked up is the ranking system if somebody can lose 3 in a row and remain top 10....

I bet there is at least 1 UFC MW on at least a 5 fight streak that deserves the loser of this fight more than Weidman.....and Im a fan of the guy......

Because he beat a lot of top guys and his losses came to the #1, 2, n 5th top ranked contenders in the division. He wasn't losing to cans. His fight vs a lower end of top 10 came after vs Gastelum and he finished him.

Chris is right where he should be in the rankings. A matchup with him n Jacare could happen, him vs the loser of this match, him vs Paulo if he wins his next match. Lot of fights for him in the division still.