If max beats Ilia? How big of an upset would that be in your opinion?

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For me it would be up there with Bisping vs Rockhold 2..

Ofcourse not Serra vs GSP nothing comes close to that massive upset..

But I believe it would be like Bisping vs Rockhold 2.. If these two had fought 9 more times Rockhold would have beaten Bisping he was stylistically just a nightmare fight and had his number. Bisping won the fight under the only way he could have won which came via a hail mary punch.

I feel the same with Max holloway. He has a punchers chance because skill for skill Ilia is way better imo who is the more complete fighter
 
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octagonation said:
For me it would be up there with Bisping vs Rockhold 2..

Ofcourse not Serra vs GSP nothing comes close to that massive upset..

But I believe it would be like Bisping vs Rockhold 2.. If these two had fought 9 more times Rockhold would have beaten Bisping he was stylistically just a nightmare fight and had his number. Bisping won the fight under the only way he could have won which came via a hail mary punch.

I feel the same with Max holloway. He has a punchers chance because skill for skill Ilia is way better imo who is the more complete fighter
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So you are saying Ilia will be a one and done Champ just like Lukey boy? Well in that case I agree.
 
Would it be an upset at all?
Maybe according to the oddsmakers, but I have a hard time believing fans would be SHOCKED or anything...
It's Max.
Dude is coming off a KO of one of the most dangerous lightweights in the biz...






War Ilia though
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I don't think Ilia is cemented as a world beater quite yet.
While he beat volk, it was an older and recently concussed volk.

Outside of that, his best win is Emmett?

He could very well be as good as he has looked and made out to be but the resumé isn't quite there yet, for me

His biggest boon to me is his athletic prowess (hard hitter, fast) and of course skilled.
But how is his cardio, how is his heart, when things aren't going his way and he's pressured, how will he respond?

More so than an upset, it'd simply answer a lot of questions.
 
It would be like TJ beating Cody after Cody just dominated Dom and ended his BW reign. Ilia ended Volk's FW reign, new champ relatively early in his career against the former champ who's a vet at this point. Both Ilia and Cody -200 favorites and defending the title for the first time after having beaten the long time champ (Dom, Volk) who the challenger (TJ, Max) lost to. It's an upset but not an unfathomable one.
 
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Not much at all. I figure Ilia will win, but Max can't be counted out and Ilia is vastly overrated by his fans, and most importantly, by himself. There's a fine line between good confidence and stupid overconfidence and I think he's teetering between them.
 
I’m picking Topuria, but if Max wins, I would only call it a small upset. Max is still prime age and beat an elite lightweight in an elite performance in his last fight.
 
Well maybe, but really they are both very good.

I'll say it's a tossup?
 
It's so rare to see vets take out undefeated guy in their prime. Topuria is a hard matchup. If Max wasn't so liked I think he'd be a +300 or more. To me it would be a bigger upset than the Gaethje fight.
 
I think the betting odds of - Topuria (-230) and Holloway (+190) makes sense and seems about right.

I have seen Topuria (-275) and Holloway (+225 underdog) which seems a little slighted towards Topuria.
 
I don't see this as an upset at all if Max wins - and I think he will. I see Max ramping up the volume with each round to a pace that few have shown they can handle. The ones that didn't get stopped, looked like they got hit by a truck and Max looked like he could go 5 more rounds. Bigger fighters haven't hurt Max with their shots and I don't think Ilia will be the one to do it. I think age will eventually beat Max (it is undefeated) but he's not there yet.
 
LMAO. This is either a troll post or you’re delusional. With the current odds you might as well bet the house on Ilia if you think Max only has a punchers chance of winning.

Being unbiased the outcome is very hard to predict. Topuria is very skilled and well rounded and has all the tools to win this fight. I wouldn’t be surprised if he won a decision or even a stoppage. Although Max has many ways to win this, his standup is also high level and he pours volume and pace that Topuria may struggle with in the later rounds. He’s also mixing up more kicks into his arsenal that could frustrate Ilia. He’s hard to knockdown and he has never been finished. His defensive wrestling/grappling is likely good enough to negate anything that Topuria offers. Conditioning is world class and he’s proven time after time he can still go hard while going the distance. On the otherhand Max is very hittable and was knocked down for the first time against Justin. Although Max has a lot of experience, he also has a lot of mileage. Every fight some people wonder if he will finally crack more so than you hear others talk about a resurgence. He’s never really struggled on a cut to FW before, but his last bout was at LW and you could physically see the difference in his lean body mass. So at the very least the cut won’t be any easier. With all that being said both fighters are going to need to work for this fight. Topuria may be the slight favorite, but at roughly a +200 for Max I think that’s actually a great value bet since IMO it's much closer to 50/50.

Anyway WAR Max!
 
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