If Dustin becomes champ, a 4th Fight with Conor Should Be Out of Discussion

[TheVenom]

Tony vs. Conor is the fight to make

This I like

 

[cws80us]

You are assuming that logic and reasoning will be involved in the decision, but sadly the only thing that matters to Dana and the UFC is $$$. I don't really understand why at this point but there are a ton of people that want to see conman fight. He hasn't won a meaningful fight in over 5 years. He's not only lost but been embarrassed 3 times in a row. His antics have not only gotten old and stale but have also crossed the line and become pretty pathetic to tell the truth. He's had a string of legal issues as well, but his fans still won't abandon him. It's a strange phenomenon.

 

[krelianx]

I mean that's fine, a lot more people won't watch if it's Dustin vs. Gaethje lol.

Also, the UFC isn't giving anything. The fans are, you are basically mad at the fact that the vast majority of people want to see Conor fight for a belt rather than someone else.

Don't blame the UFC for making the fight, blame all the people that want to see it.

If all they care about is making money, then ditch USADA, screw the ranking system, stop the ranking system, ditch weight classes, give Conor the next title shot, and if he loses that make a title called the Conor title in unsanctioned fights and give him favorable match ups against smaller opponents with rigged judging. Do a Paul vs. the World thing for McGregor, and keep the divisions in their place.

What is unacceptable is prostituting the sport's integrity and structure for this clown.

Why even bother pretending this is a sport?

 

[JokersKnife]

If it's for the title. Herb will be ready.

 

[JJCc]

If all they care about is making money, then ditch USADA, screw the ranking system, give Conor the next title shot, and if he loses that make a title called the Conor title and give him favorable match ups. Why even bother pretending this is a sport?

They adopted USADA so they could make more money.

The ranking system also helps them make money.

You realize, UFC is a business, everything they do is in consideration of money, both in the short-term and in the long-term.

Before any fight is made, all promoters do a market assessment of potential buys, and projections for future buys.

Why do you think Floyd vs Logan originally got cancelled? Because they did a market analysis and it didn't do big numbers. The UFC would make no money if they did anything you were suggesting.

But they'd make big money and could still keep making money if they gave McGregor a big fight. Also, everytime McGregor fights, it retains a bigger fan base for the UFC that sticks around, I think it's like a 5-6% retention rate out of all the people who never watch UFC, each time McGregor fights.

He also brings in more subscriptions to UFC fight pass each time there's a McGregor PPV, subscriptions gain a substantial boost.

 

[krelianx]

They adopted USADA so they could make more money.

The ranking system also helps them make money.

You realize, UFC is a business, everything they do is in consideration of money, both in the short-term and in the long-term.

Before any fight is made, all promoters do a market assessment of potential buys, and projections for future buys.

Why do you think Floyd vs Logan originally got cancelled? Because they did a market analysis and it didn't do big numbers. The UFC would make no money if they did anything you were suggesting.

But they'd make big money and could still keep making money if they gave McGregor a big fight. Also, everytime McGregor fights, it retains a bigger fan base for the UFC that sticks around, I think it's like a 5-6% retention rate out of all the people who never watch UFC, each time McGregor fights.

He also brings in more subscriptions to UFC fight pass each time there's a McGregor PPV, subscriptions gain a substantial boost.

I understand this is a business. My point is that is you're going to sacrifice the integrity of the sport for the business side of it to this ridiculous degree, then this is no longer something I am interested in. Have fun watching.

There's a difference between what is good for the UFC business and what is good for the sport. I am a fan of the sport.

 

[dominicanjudo8]

Tony vs. Conor is the fight to make

Actually no, Conor vs Gathje is the fight to make hopefully Gathje can land 6 solid kicks on Conor and Conor can finally retires for good

 

[JJCc]

I understand this is a business. My point is that is you're going to sacrifice the integrity of the sport for the business side of it to this ridiculous degree, then this is no longer something I am interested in. Have fun watching.

There's a difference between what is good for the UFC business and what is good for the sport. I am a fan of the sport.

The purpose of a "sport" is subjective. In your mind for some reason, the purpose of a sport is to determine who is the best, or who is the greatest. That is a subjective view, there is absolutely no reason that a sport has to determine who is the best.

The primary purpose of "sport" in my opinion (I would never claim I have some objective truth of what sports is for) is to entertain people.

People are often entertained by the idea of determining who is the best, that is the only reason that sport even attempts to make a determination of who is the best, because people find that fact to be entertaining. There is a ranking system so that fans can understand who is the best.

Being the best isn't the only thing that's entertaining though, there are times when other aspects are also entertaining. At the end of the day, the purpose of sport is to entertain. You don't want to see McGregor fight Poirier again out of the very simple fact it does not entertain you. Don't act like it's some objective truth or there's some right or wrong in it. It entertains a ton of people though so the fight will happen.

 

[Kono dio da!]

In the meantime for conor, maybe an aldo rematch is in order. Catchweight maybe

No. That fight isn't what it was when we wanted it. He knew what he was doing when he turned down the rematch. Aldo is too shop worn... Plus he's smaller. It just wouldn't be a good look. He should just go away and do boxing or something.

 

[AFewDollarsMore]

Dustin nearing retirement.he should just keep beating up McStretcher for millions$$

 

[Kono dio da!]

Then do Conor McGregor vs. Paul McCartney since that will sell 8 million ppvs.

Yeah conor jerking off on ppv would probably sell more than khabib because people are just that curious. Should we facilitate that as well? Let's also get a cm punk and James Tony vs brock lesnar and Ray mercer in a tag team match too.

 

[TrueFightFan]

Dana just said that the fourth fight with Dustin will happen.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/new...1b44u3X8rMnVGZvJpC00tdtYz7ChaTyOwm_51JmAjPw6Y

Now, if Dustin loses to Oliveira, and he wants to do the fourth fight and get paid yet again, I can see it making sense. What I don't see making sense whatsoever is Dustin winning the title and them making a fourth fight, granting Conor a title shot in a division where he is 1-3, and hasn't won a fight since November 2016. It will have been over five years since Conor had his one win in the division, with three losses right after.

There has to be a point where this farce has to stop. Conor is a plague to this sport.

You're right, man. He doesn't deserve a title shot, that should only be held for guys like Khabib vs Iaquinta or Brock Lesnar vs whoever....

You should be the promoter for the UFC.... you're going to the top, man!

 

[krelianx]

The purpose of a "sport" is subjective. In your mind for some reason, the purpose of a sport is to determine who is the best, or who is the greatest. That is a subjective view, there is absolutely no reason that a sport has to determine who is the best.

The primary purpose of "sport" in my opinion (I would never claim I have some objective truth of what sports is for) is to entertain people.

People are often entertained by the idea of determining who is the best, that is the only reason that sport even attempts to make a determination of who is the best, because people find that fact to be entertaining. There is a ranking system so that fans can understand who is the best.

Being the best isn't the only thing that's entertaining though, there are times when other aspects are also entertaining. At the end of the day, the purpose of sport is to entertain. You don't want to see McGregor fight Poirier again out of the very simple fact it does not entertain you. Don't act like it's some objective truth or there's some right or wrong in it. It entertains a ton of people though so the fight will happen.

It is subjective how we define the rules of a game, insofar as any game and rule set is human made. It's the same with any concept or word. What is not subjective is, once the rules are in play, whether one has followed them or not. We define rules that establish what is the game of chess: the pawn moves one square forward, eats diagonally, etc. If someone comes over and in their turn uses their pawn to throw all the pieces of their opponent into rabble and claim they won, and the judge and organization says they did because the guy who did it happens to bring great business and entertain people, that's not "subjectively" wrong: they are not playing chess, anymore than I am frying an egg if I throw it on boiling water.

The same applies to everything, from science to literature, to economics. We can define and redefine rules as we like, but once they are in play, they have objective value. We can define any word however we like, but once they are so defined and understood, there is such a thing as misusing the word. People can break rules or interpret them as they like for the purposes of money. That is cheating.

It's the same with Conor: he gets competitive advantages because of money that are unrelated to skill, and which violate the ranking system, title-contender structure, and competitive structure of the sport. That has a name: cheating.

 

[WendalClark17]

Agree. No reason they can’t fight again but give it a rest.

Even from the company’s POV, do you really want him losing to Poirier three straight times?

Take this broken leg as the gift it was, and move on to other things without the full stink of back to back KO losses.

Ferguson is on too much of a skid, but do something like that. Barboza, maybe Nate again. Something suitable for an inactive guy who just lost to someone at the top of the heap.

I would say Islam, but we know how ugly that probably gets in all respects.

Would LOVE to see Barboza kick Conor's glass legs into retirement, sign me up for that fight

 

[JJCc]

It is subjective how we define the rules of a game, insofar as any game and rule set is human made. It's the same with any concept or word. What is not subjective is, once the rules are in play, whether one has followed them or not. We define rules that establish what is the game of chess: the pawn moves one square forward, eats diagonally, etc. If someone comes over and in their turn uses their pawn to throw all the pieces of their opponent into rabble and claim they won, and the judge and organization says they did, that's not "subjectively" wrong: they are not playing chess.

We can define any word however we like, that is not the point. People can break rules or interpret them as they like for the purposes of money. That is cheating.

It's the same with Conor: he gets competitive advantages because of money that are unrelated to skill, and which violate the ranking system, title-contender structure, and competitive structure of the sport. That has a name: cheating.

There is no rule that you have to be ranked in a certain spot to fight for the belt lol. You are just making up rules now. Remember when Hendo fought Bisping for the belt and he was ranked no.13.

Boxing has mandatory challengers, MMA does not. There is no rule that champions have to fight certain people. The ranking structure exists to establish who is better and who is worse, and generally, the better people fight for the belt, but that's not a stone cold written rule, that is just what usually sells the most.

Top guys fighting top guys generally sells the most, but that isn't always the case. You are really butt hurt that so many people want to see Conor fight for the belt.

 

[textwarrior]

Dana just said that the fourth fight with Dustin will happen.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/new...1b44u3X8rMnVGZvJpC00tdtYz7ChaTyOwm_51JmAjPw6Y

Now, if Dustin loses to Oliveira, and he wants to do the fourth fight and get paid yet again, I can see it making sense. What I don't see making sense whatsoever is Dustin winning the title and them making a fourth fight, granting Conor a title shot in a division where he is 1-3, and hasn't won a fight since November 2016. It will have been over five years since Conor had his one win in the division, with three losses right after.

There has to be a point where this farce has to stop. Conor is a plague to this sport.

It is time for Dustin to get a title shot.

 

[gluehuffer1776]

dustin wont be champ so this point is moot

 

[krelianx]

There is no rule that you have to be ranked in a certain spot to fight for the belt lol. You are just making up rules now. Remember when Hendo fought Bisping for the belt and he was ranked no.13.

Boxing has mandatory challengers, MMA does not. There is no rule that champions have to fight certain people. The ranking structure exists to establish who is better and who is worse, and generally, the better people fight for the belt, but that's not a stone cold written rule, that is just what usually sells the most.

Top guys fighting top guys generally sells the most, but that isn't always the case. You are really butt hurt that so many people want to see Conor fight for the belt.

Yes, I remember the Hendo and Bisping case, and I didn't support that either. These exceptions occur, for a variety of reasons. In no case has it been a systematic issue like it is with Conor. You're also right in that there is no explicit rule that says you have to be ranked somewhere to fight for the title. The ranking structure is there as an indicator. There also isn't an explicit rule that states that a fighter who loses 100 times in a row shouldn't get a title shot, or that they shouldn't remain ranked as the #1 contender, or that winning or losing shouldn't affect their official UFC ranking, or a rule that says that if you haven't won a fight in three years and five years in the division you are competing you should not get a title shot or skip other ranked fighters who have done those things.

At that point, you don't have a sport if by the latter one understands not only physical exertion for entertainment, but a competitive structure where challengers compete under common rules, because Conor enjoys permanently privileges others don't. That also has a name: corruption.

 

[lsa]

If Dustin should win the title, he should absolutely not take Conor as a first defense - McGregor doesn't fucking deserve it. If the UFC presses, Poirier could just retire.

In a perfect world yes.
But how much money did Dusting just make for that last fight? Was it 5mil that was reported as pay outs?
5 mil for one round.

Conor does not deserve a title shot at all.
But I can see Dustin saying yes for a nice +5mil, money counts.
And a Conor coming back after 12 - XX months training with his usual yes men.
It would probably be an easy win for Dustin.

But giving Conor a title shot would be a joke, and I think UFC will receive a ton of flack from fans and media.
There is no justification for Conor getting a shot except greed and money.

 

[MetalMilitia]

Then when Conor is on his last leg

Oh I love that....

It would be a joke to have Conor fight him again if Porier picks up the belt.

Conor has 1 win since the Obama administration, and it's the wrong weight class against a past their prime Cowboy. 3/4 times finished, or 4/5 if you throw in Mayweather, and he hasn't done anything of relevance against a rank opponent since beating Alvarez -- and NEVER DEFENDING.

This is a money grab, and a petty one at that, but people will of course eat it up and deny reality -- after all, it's 2021

Will money change logic? OF COURSE.