If a Fighter Tests Positive or Runs Away From Testing...

[kflo]

No fighter who claims to be a clean fighter can have PEDs in their system. It takes an absolute coward to cheat in combat sports and if a fighter doesn't want to risk destroying their reputation then they shouldn't choose to take untested supplements instead of supplements that are tested and proven not to contain PEDs.
It's quite petty to give proven cheaters a pass in a sport where there is already a risk of serious injury or death without PEDs. We need a lifetime ban to rid the sport of cowards.

Are machida and cro cop cowards?

 

[RiotWyatt]

Drug testing is just marketing so the UFC can brand itself as legitimate. All fighters do it to some degree or another. Some are better at hiding it than others. If you get caught and aren't a popular fighter, then you are punished and made an example of for the public. If you are popular, it's tainted supplements, dick pills, pulsing, or just plain kept on the down low as possible.

 

[Gio]

"I can't let you get close" - Yair Rodriguez

 

[Titan1980]

This does not work

Because what you believe is not what we call a fact. The issue is that there might be those possibilities that they did it one or two times, we do not know.

You can personally call into question a fighters career but that is not a fact. If they passed previous tests you have duelling/competing evidence.

This does not work

Because what you believe is not what we call a fact. The issue is that there might be those possibilities that they did it one or two times, we do not know.

You can personally call into question a fighters career but that is not a fact. If they passed previous tests you have duelling/competing evidence. Now comes the confirmation bias in which you take some evidence over others that confirm a bias when evidence exists that possibly says different.

How does it not work? I never suggested that mine or other peoples opinions be counted as a fact. I was talking about fan based discusion.
OP suggested a single failed test should erase an entire officailly. I disagreed. I agree with you. You cant punish someone for crimes they didnt commit. A fighter fails a test that fight is changed to a No Contest. This is what happens now officially amd is the correct official response.

But I believe when that when a fighter retires and their achievments considered for posterity the fact they cheated against the official rules should be a consideration and be given an asteriks. Baseball does this and I beleive is correct.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

They should probably have a loss to USADA added to their fight record, and be allowed to pulse on their next opponent

 

[Straatblaffer]

I strongly disagree. If a fighter as a professional athlete wants to be so reckless as to take untested supplements then they've earned their dirty name by not being cautious of what they put in their bodies.

I don't say they don't deserve being blamed, I just find it unfair to consider their entire career a fraud.

 

[leatherneck]

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

No Their testimony is usually thrown out due to credibility issues

court doesnt work the way you seem to think it works.

 

[burningspear]

Seems he'll pull any trick to avoid Zabit?

 

[Yep]

None of the numbers on paper mean a thing. Everybody still remembers the outcomes. Say what you want about lance but everyone on the planet knows he was the best at the time. Regardless of the stripping. Pete rose will always be Charlie hustle. And yes I know that’s not doping. Using as an example of why it doesn’t matter. Barry Bonds is a hof player and everyone knows it. Regardless if they put him in or not. So take away any number records of their fights and people will still dismiss any transgressions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-belong-in-hall-of-fame-majority-say-in-poll/

 

[thehighking]

I don't say they don't deserve being blamed, I just find it unfair to consider their entire career a fraud.

I think it's unfair to fighters who never fail a drug test to NOT consider their entire career a fraud. They've already been caught and proven to be cheating, most likely scenario is they were cheating the entire time. If they didn't want to tarnish their entire career then they shouldn't have cheated.

 

[Genisys]

They should be punished the same regardless. If you're a professional athlete and you decide to take untested supplements when there are tested supplements easily available then you didn't take the necessary precaution that's required to be a clean fighter. Lifetime bans for anyone found with steroids or banned supplements in their system, that's the only solution to stop all these cowards cheating.

I respectfully disagree with every single thing you said.

 

[thehighking]

I respectfully disagree with every single thing you said.

If they're stupid enough to take untested supplements when they know it's possible it could cause a failed test (even though 99% of these incidents are actually cases of cheating and not tainted supplements) then they shouldn't risk losing any more brain cells competing in MMA. It takes a massive pussy to cheat in combat sports so a lifetime ban is the best deterrent to remove these cowards from the sport once and for all.

 

[Mr Joyboy]

Steroids aren't dirty. I want everyone taking them so I can see the best possible fights on Saturday nights.

And anyone who wants to bring up possible health problems associated with steroids can stfu because this is a brain damage sport anyway.