If a Fighter Tests Positive or Runs Away From Testing...

[Straatblaffer]

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

I thought this was about Covid testing at first. I don't really agree to be honest. I don't think you can say that a fighter that got caught was dirty his entire career. I mean, if a fighter get's tested on a regular base, you should asume he is clean if he tests negative.

Guys like TJ, Chael etc did lose all my respect. A guy that cheated, is on my personal blacklist. Especially in fighting, using substances that make you basically inflict more damage, is absolutely disgusting.

 

[thehighking]

You're assuming that every fighter that tests positive intentionally took a banned substance. There are legit cases where someone took a supplement that was tainted. If a fighter was wronged by a company that sold a tainted product that was supposed to be clean then they should not be penalized. Also, if a fighter is tested before a fight and they don't find a banned substance then that fighter is clean for that fight. Whether they are truly clean or not doesn't matter. No body, no evidence, no crime.

They should be punished the same regardless. If you're a professional athlete and you decide to take untested supplements when there are tested supplements easily available then you didn't take the necessary precaution that's required to be a clean fighter. Lifetime bans for anyone found with steroids or banned supplements in their system, that's the only solution to stop all these cowards cheating.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

I can think of 2 more options:

3) They and everyone knows they cannot catch all cheaters all the time, but with the threat cheating is cut down substantially. Just like most other regulatory systems in our world.

4) Conspiracy, fraud, bribery, corruption...pick your noun.

#3 is a legit option

#4 is just a set up for a major downfall

or there are simply ways to chance the system in the hopes of getting away with it and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. it doesn't invalidate it all. tj took a calculated risk and got caught.

My argument is more with the specifically Jon Jones haters who attempt to discredit his entire career. Not rational thinking people.

 

[thehighking]

I thought this was about Covid testing at first. I don't really agree to be honest. I don't think you can say that a fighter that got caught was dirty his entire career. I mean, if a fighter get's tested on a regular base, you should asume he is clean if he tests negative.

Guys like TJ, Chael etc did lose all my respect. A guy that cheated, is on my personal blacklist. Especially in fighting, using substances that make you basically inflict more damage, is absolutely disgusting.

The onus is on them to prove they are clean by not failing a PED test. If they fail a PED test and we know that athletes take measures like using diuretics and cycling their PEDs and giving USADA the wrong location several times then when they actually fail a test we will obviously assume they have been cheating the entire time. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

#4 is just a set up for a major downfall

Ya I don't believe it. But most sherdoggers seem to. Go figure.

 

[sadowolf]

You're right but there's no way to tell but one thing for sure his teammates were all pointing the finger at him since he joined alpha male The prime suspect
Plus it's proven he's a habitual liar

I think he snaked his way past those tests which we're probably a lot easier to get by then now

It was also said that he taught the whole team how to use steroids, so from that you could infer that much of TAM was on something and maybe he taught them how to snake their way past tests as well. Perhaps they should be considered for punishment. You can basically just keep going deeper with it if you really want to, and that's why I think it's just best to punish fighters what they get caught for and not start going into assumptions based on perceived likelihood. Throw an asterisk next to a fighter's name that says they popped and that you should take that into consideration, but other than that I think their records should be left alone outside of fights they actually popped for.

 

[Straatblaffer]

The onus is on them to prove they are clean by not failing a PED test. If they fail a PED test and we know that athletes take measures like using diuretics and cycling their PEDs and giving USADA the wrong location several times then when they actually fail a test we will obviously assume they have been cheating the entire time. It would be foolish to think otherwise.

In some cases, sure. But a fighter that never missed a test and get's caught once get's my benifit of the doubt. It's really a matter of opinion

 

[thehighking]

In some cases, sure. But a fighter that never missed a test and get's caught once get's my benifit of the doubt. It's really a matter of opinion

I strongly disagree. If a fighter as a professional athlete wants to be so reckless as to take untested supplements then they've earned their dirty name by not being cautious of what they put in their bodies.

 

[Kenny Powerth]

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Then Josh Barnett never won a fight

Still waiting on that Affliction fight...

 

[ThaiSexPills]

I can’t refuse a breathalyzer or I get an impaired charge. Same thing here..

 

[ookii]

Was the Benny Hill theme playing in the background while they were chasing after Yair?

 

[kflo]

I strongly disagree. If a fighter as a professional athlete wants to be so reckless as to take untested supplements then they've earned their dirty name by not being cautious of what they put in their bodies.

But you then determining you can dismiss their entire career and taint their every accomplishment because you stand in judgment......it’s kinda petty.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Yes, furthermore this violation should be referred to as the Duckriguez Rule

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

 

[RedDevilFan]

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

No, you can’t do that. An assumption is not proof of anything. Our perceptions of reality is not reality. What you assume to be true is not a fact or reality. If someone passed a previous drug tests than he has physical and tangible evidence. In reality we don.t know if anyone is really not taking PEDs, all we know is that they passed the test.

One of the issues with assumption is cognitive bias, and confirmation bias in which we look to things that confirm beliefs we already had. You have no evidence of prior cases, if we thought like that than anything you did as a child would be up for revue. You stole as a child so you are still stealing, which is a flawed concept.

 

[Titan1980]

Thays basically how it is now. When ever a fighter fails a test in any way their entire career is suspect eg Spider Silva, TJ, Bones, etc. No one believes they just started using the one time and got caught. It does affect how people remember them. Its regularly used in dismissing Spiders and Jones contention for GOAT. And rightly so. Their names will have asteriks beside them when they enter the HOF.

As far as taking their entire careers away from them no i dont agree with that.

I truly believe 99.99% of all professional athletes are using in sports that pay significant amounts of money or require extreme athletic ability minus bowling or darts. Its how they feed their families and buikd legacies.

 

[Jarvan]

It's a clear admitting of guilt

Why give them fines?

Just fuckin ban em.
If they test positive, give em a fair trial of course
and if guilty, good bye, have a nice life.

Yair has been so elusive I literally could care less about him at this point

 

[RedDevilFan]

Thays basically how it is now. When ever a fighter fails a test in any way their entire career is suspect eg Spider Silva, TJ, Bones, etc. No one believes they just started using the one time and got caught. It does affect how people remember them. Its regularly used in dismissing Spiders and Jones contention for GOAT. And rightly so. Their names will have asteriks beside them when they enter the HOF.

As far as taking their entire careers away from them no i dont agree with that.

I truly believe 99.99% of all professional athletes are using in sports that pay significant amounts of money or require extreme athletic ability minus bowling or darts. Its how they feed their families and buikd legacies.

This does not work

Because what you believe is not what we call a fact. The issue is that there might be those possibilities that they did it one or two times, we do not know.

You can personally call into question a fighters career but that is not a fact. If they passed previous tests you have duelling/competing evidence. Now comes the confirmation bias in which you take some evidence over others that confirm a bias when evidence exists that possibly says different.

It’s flawed logic, you can hold them accountable for what you do know but outside of that you are taking swings at air.

 

[Kryptt]

 

[thehighking]

But you then determining you can dismiss their entire career and taint their every accomplishment because you stand in judgment......it’s kinda petty.

No fighter who claims to be a clean fighter can have PEDs in their system. It takes an absolute coward to cheat in combat sports and if a fighter doesn't want to risk destroying their reputation then they shouldn't choose to take untested supplements instead of supplements that are tested and proven not to contain PEDs.
It's quite petty to give proven cheaters a pass in a sport where there is already a risk of serious injury or death without PEDs. We need a lifetime ban to rid the sport of cowards.