Ido talking about not training with vegans

[Eszopiclone]

It's a very complicated area to go down, essentially we don't have the answers, many philosophers have talked about it.
Are you basically talking about objective morality?

Wait a minute I thought it was debatable, yet you don't have a single argument, so how is it debatable, what arguments dispute that claim? Objectively subjectively be whatever it is, there's no moral or ethics without individuals, it simply doesn't make any sense.
How can you have rules to attribute value, regulate and judge behaviors and actions WITHOUT INDIVIDUALS?
YOUR CLAIM MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE

 

[Lee_]

I think we need some better research with a larger sample size if we are going to make generalizations about the vegan diet affecting a fighter's ability.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Wait a minute I thought it was debatable, yet you don't have a single argument, so how is it debatable, what arguments dispute that claim? Objectively subjectively be whatever it is, there's no moral or ethics without individuals, it simply doesn't make any sense.
How can you have rules to attribute value, regulate and judge behaviors and actions WITHOUT INDIVIDUALS?
YOUR CLAIM MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE

Well religious arguments for a start do, the questions of uncertainty on an expanding universe, philosophers who have tried to explain what objective morality is...
I tend to agree, every living thing was gone then I don't see much use for morality, but that doesn't mean it outright doesn't exist necessarily.

I don't pretend to know, and it has no impact on whether or not killing innocent life is wrong imo.

 

[Eszopiclone]

No you did that... I'm sticking by BRAIN and NERVOUS SYSTEM as measures of something that feels pain. No it's not fine cos a Chicken has a brain. Nothing wrong with Plants being killed to me either.

I don't act on every immoral thing in the world it would be impossible, but not eating animals is very easy in my country, unlike solving the massive amount of deaths in the wild lol.

If the reason you're sticking with brain and nervous system is because they're measures of pain then pain is what matters.
People donate to Africans despite not living in Africa, they aren't gonna save every africans but they can help some. Donate for the castration of carnivores

 

[Jose Beehive]

If the reason you're sticking with brain and nervous system is because they're measures of pain then pain is what matters.
People donate to Africans despite not living in Africa, they aren't gonna save every africans but they can help some. Donate for the castration of carnivores

Lol, yeah a victim.. I don't get what your point is to bring up charity towards Africans? Are you saying that because I chose not to eat meat I should live every day as if i'm Batman and go out solving crime?

Any action can be accepted by suggesting morality is subjective

 

[MCS]

But why generalize when he himself would gas out training with the Diaz bros?

 

[Eszopiclone]

Well religious arguments for a start do, the questions of uncertainty on an expanding universe, philosophers who have tried to explain what objective morality is...
I tend to agree, every living thing was gone then I don't see much use for morality, but that doesn't mean it outright doesn't exist necessarily.
I don't pretend to know, and it has no impact on whether or not killing innocent life is wrong imo.

So your argument is religion? And if everything is gone, isn't that "there's no use for morality", THERE IS NO MORALITY.
Ethics can't exist without individuals because it's literally a REQUIREMENT for the existence of ethics, who is gonna judge what based on what against what and why?
I think you had a very poor choice of words and you didn't want to give up your point.

 

[Jose Beehive]

So your argument is religion? And if everything is gone, isn't that "there's no use for morality", THERE IS NO MORALITY.
Ethics can't exist without individuals because it's literally a REQUIREMENT for the existence of ethics, who is gonna judge what based on what against what and why?
I think you had a very poor choice of words and you didn't want to give up your point.

No my argument is I don't know, and nobody does. Perhaps there is a greater being beyond our solar system, perhaps there is not. It's irrelevant to my position on eating animals.

Just because I said it's debatable, doesn't mean i'm great at debating it.

 

[Eszopiclone]

No my argument is I don't know, and nobody does. Perhaps there is a greater being beyond our solar system, perhaps there is not. It's irrelevant to my position on eating animals.
Just because I said it's debatable, doesn't mean i'm great at debating it.

"I don't know and nobody does" You're just avoid the discussion, the concept of ethics is about interactions between individuals, how could it possibly exist without individuals? IT'S THE VERY DEFINITION.
If some greater beings existed they would be entities, and moral and ethics would exist because they would judge the interactions between these entities. It would be something, but if NOTHING existed there would NOTHING interacting with anything

 

[The UFC Brander Collector]

Proof?

Seems to be doing alright for thousands and thousands of people including myself who's B12 levels and D levels are far higher than they ever were before supplementing them(and eating meat)... B12 has been on the market in supplement form for a very long time.

Majority of Meat Eaters only get good supplies of B12 because the animals they eat are supplemented with it anyway.

I have not gone to research it
I was a vegeterian for a while, no means as an attack but I take raw cod liver oil and it is way different than some d vitamin pills

 

[Jose Beehive]

"I don't know and nobody does" You're just avoid the discussion, the concept of ethics is about interactions between individuals, how could it possibly exist without individuals? IT'S THE VERY DEFINITION.
If some greater beings existed they would be entities, and moral and ethics would exist because they would judge the interactions between these entities. It would be something, but if NOTHING existed there would NOTHING interacting with anything

There's no scientific data that proves of a God, there are things to consider like all matter comes from existent matter and there are no examples of something being created from nothing. We could discuss this all day long, but essentially neither of us know the answers. I don't necessarily believe our limited senses and perception are the be all and end all of what exists and what doesn't.. What is "nothing" lol? There is no "nothing"..
What is your point? Are we debating God vs Atheism here or whether killing innocent things is cool? lol.

 

[Jose Beehive]

I have not gone to research it
I was a vegeterian for a while, no means as an attack but I take raw cod liver oil and it is way different than some d vitamin pills

Didn't take it as an attack my dude, and why do you determine that? I guarantee you eat and benefit from things that have been fortified with these Chemical vitamins you talk of.

 

[Iron Nick]

The fact that literally every vegan has to take supplements to look human proves how shitty this diet actually is.
Another thing I noticed is that vegans are liars and I've caughten many times, I remember having a discussion with a vegan on discord he said he didn't took anything and I checked his post history and he was talking about a bunch of supplements and vitamins he had recently bought. I bet they also constantly cheat.
Veganism is just virtue signaling

Lol

Being vegan is literally one of the best things you can do for the planet and if done right, for your health.
Saying "you need supplements" (Spoiler: you only need B12) doesn't disprove or prove how good or bad the diet is.

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Eating meat is probably ideal for athletics, but totally understand people being vegan/vegetarian for ethical reasons.
The food industry and factory farming are a moral atrocity.

corporate/factory farming and corporate food is horrible. Hopefully, the freedom in money revolution (bitcoin/crypto) will extend to local food/farming. People need better sources of healthy food (fruits, vegetables, eggs, meat etc...) outside the corporate economy.

 

[Eszopiclone]

Lol

Being vegan is literally one of the best things you can do for the planet and if done right, for your health.
Saying "you need supplements" (Spoiler: you only need B12) doesn't disprove or prove how good or bad the diet is.

It literally proves your diet is incomplete lmao

 

[Eszopiclone]

corporate/factory farming and corporate food is horrible. Hopefully, the freedom in money revolution (bitcoin/crypto) will extend to local food/farming. People need better sources of healthy food (fruits, vegetables, eggs, meat etc...) outside the corporate economy.

just lol if you eat shit like grounded beef

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Imagine feeling threatened by people who don't kill animals.

Nobody is feeling threatened here, you cream puff, relax.

 

[Lemos]

My B12 levels went from barely in the sufficient range after a lifetime of eating animal products to about the mid-range of acceptable levels after almost three years of being plant-based. I take a supplement a few times a week, at the most, and sparingly have processed foods that are fortified with it.

Folate, niacin, thiamine, etc. are also easy to get if you eat a well-rounded diet of whole food plants, and lots of products are fortified with them.

I find hilarious the b12 argument, they supplement cattle with it, duh. I'd rather take the supplement myself.

 

[Jose Beehive]

It literally proves your diet is incomplete lmao

There are reasons for this, some hypothesis suggest we used to get B12 from things like untreated water, soil and even the bacteria from not brushing teeth, people attain B12 differently, some people store it for a long time, some don't, some people can apparently produce their own, i'm not sure though... Though instead of pursuing all of that thankfully I can just take a supplement Instead of going out and buying a burger that the cow has been supplemented with B12 anyway.

 

[Iron Nick]

It literally proves your diet is incomplete lmao

How so? Do B12 supplements not exist?

Or are you trying to imply that things that are made by humans are worse than things that occur naturally?
Because if that's the case, i assume you also don't take any medicine, as it's not growing on trees, right?