Ido talking about not training with vegans

[Eszopiclone]

The "vegan" in the video, eventually started drinking his own piss and went back to eating meat. I'm not even joking. He's got a youtube channel.

he took the machidapill

 

[Eszopiclone]

Eating meat is probably ideal for athletics, but totally understand people being vegan/vegetarian for ethical reasons.
The food industry and factory farming are a moral atrocity.

nothing atrocious about killing animals, we are only here because our ancestors weren't all a bunch of vegans. I've killed dozens of chickens and I felt nothing much like they didn't feel anything when they ate insects

 

[Gmork]

The b12 does make me wonder.

It has to do with absorbing nutrients and if you are a very strict vegan, avoid any type of animal based product, you can get it probably in some chemical form now, but it is just not the same.

And a long story but I know this from D vitamin
The raw thing is nothing like some chemical things.

B12 is rich in some sea thing, I forget it's name.
I am not hating on it, but in a natural way to be totally vegan for the long run, I doubt is healthy

I hear this stuff often, and I'm not saying there's nothing to it, but it doesn't seem to show up in the data. Also, vegans that actually try to eat balanced diets take supplements these days.

 

[Jose Beehive]

nothing atrocious about killing animals, we are only here because our ancestors weren't all a bunch of vegans. I've killed dozens of chickens and I felt nothing much like they didn't feel anything when they ate insects

Ancestors doing things doesn't make anything right today, ancestors raped, enslaved and murdered.

 

[Eszopiclone]

The fact that literally every vegan has to take supplements to look human proves how shitty this diet actually is.
Another thing I noticed is that vegans are liars and I've caughten many times, I remember having a discussion with a vegan on discord he said he didn't took anything and I checked his post history and he was talking about a bunch of supplements and vitamins he had recently bought. I bet they also constantly cheat.
Veganism is just virtue signaling

 

[Jose Beehive]

The fact that literally every vegan has to take supplements to look human proves how shitty this diet actually is.
Another thing I noticed is that vegans are liars and I've caughten many times, I remember having a discussion with a vegan on discord he said he didn't took anything and I checked his post history and he was talking about a bunch of supplements and vitamins he had recently bought. I bet they also constantly cheat.
Veganism is just virtue signaling

The fact that you have to end innocent life and prey on the weak to survive based on a might is right premise proves how shitty your diet is.
Most people are advised to take supplements, vegan or not. ]

Bullshit, there's nothing in the definition of Veganism that says you have to express your opinion publicly.

 

[Human Bass]

Never understood the hate against Vegans.

The meat industry is one of the most damaging sources of climate change on this planet

I don't think I could go vegan, but if I did it wouldn't be to "feel good" or whatever.

It would be for the environment

Vegans ignore the basics of nutrition, that animal fat and protein are extremely nutritive to claim a dumb moral higher ground.

 

[Eszopiclone]

Ancestors doing things doesn't make anything right today, ancestors raped, enslaved and murdered.

There's no ethical discussion without considering the survival of the individuals because there's no ethics without the individuals.
They ate to survive, it's was literally a requirement, you eat or you die, we evolved because of that as well and that's why we can talk about ethics.
Now let me ask you this: if killing animals is so wrong then why don't we take all the animals out of the nature instead of letting massacres happen everyday?

 

[Jose Beehive]

There's no ethical discussion without considering the survival of the individuals because there's no ethics without the individuals.
They ate to survive, it's was literally a requirement, you eat or you die, we evolved because of that as well and that's why we can talk about ethics.
Now let me ask you this: if killing animals is so wrong then why don't we take all the animals out of the nature instead of letting massacres happen everyday?

Most people in western society don't need meat to survive, there are thousands and thousands of examples of this.
No ethics without individuals is debatable.
So again just because we did something, doesn't mean we have to now.

That's a good question, and some people discuss the idea of preventing death in the wild, it's a different conversation.

 

[Eszopiclone]

The fact that you have to end innocent life and prey on the weak to survive based on a might is right premise proves how shitty your diet is

Lmao that's literally what 99% of animals do to surive, how does that prove that their diet is shit lmao? Vegans don't even look human if they don't take supplements

 

[Jose Beehive]

Lmao that's literally what 99% of animals do to surive, how does that prove that their diet is shit lmao? Vegans don't even look human if they don't take supplements

No it isn't, 99% of animals are not carnivores ... Other animals also enslave, rape and murder, some even fuck their own kids. You into those things to?

 

[Eszopiclone]

No ethics without individuals is debatable.

Oh then please debate with me, how do you conceptualize the existence of ethics without any individuals. I'm sure star dust really cares shit

 

[Jose Beehive]

Oh then please debate with me, how do you conceptualize the existence of ethics without any individuals. I'm sure star dust really cares shit

Well what is your definition of individual, human? or anything living thing with a brain? Or anything living at all? If one can imagine suffering then one can conceptualise not suffering, suffering exists without humans perception or word for it.

 

[Eszopiclone]

No it isn't, 99% of animals are not carnivores ... Other animals also enslave, rape and murder, some even fuck their own kids. You into those things to?

Plants are innocent life bro, they haven't done anything wrong. You haven't answered my question, you just made another one, answer this: Why should we allow massacres to happen everyday in nature?

 

[Jose Beehive]

Plants are innocent life bro, they haven't done anything wrong. You haven't answered my question, you just made another one, answer this: Why should we allow massacres to happen everyday in nature?

They are the best and most morally okay source of nutrition, they don't have nervous systems and haven't been proven to feel pain, this is also backed by the fact they haven't evolved to defend from pain.. But if you are going to go down that route, then more plants are "murdered" to feed Animals in factory farming than humans anyway.

What question? I agree animals in the wild suffering and being torn apart is a bad thing, how to solve this? fuck knows condoms?

 

[Eszopiclone]

Well what is your definition of individual, human? or anything living thing with a brain? Or anything living at all? If one can imagine suffering then one can conceptualise not suffering, suffering exists without humans perception or word for it.

Conscious entity, whatever, you could even use the most generic one, the biological, so we are talking about an organism.
How do you conceptualize the existence of ethics without individuals?

 

[Jose Beehive]

Conscious entity, whatever, you could even use the most generic one, the biological, so we are talking about an organism.
How do you conceptualize the existence of ethics without individuals?

It's a very complicated area to go down, essentially we don't have the answers, many philosophers have talked about it.
Are you basically talking about objective morality?

 

[vlz]

why is this in ufc discussion

who cares about this guy

 

[Eszopiclone]

They are the best and most morally okay source of nutrition, they don't have nervous systems and haven't been proven to feel pain, this is also backed by the fact they haven't evolved to defend from pain.. But if you are going to go down that route, then more plants are "murdered" to feed Animals in factory farming than humans anyway.

What question? I agree animals in the wild suffering and being torn apart is a bad thing, how to solve this? fuck knows condoms?

Now you're moving goals from "innocent" to "most morally". If I kill a chicken painlessly is that fine? Nothing wrong with plants being killed to me.
If it's a bad thing why aren't you doing something to stop it? People don't just let poor africans suffer, they help them, castrate them, do something, we can't let these massacres go on

 

[Jose Beehive]

Now you're moving goals from "innocent" to "most morally". If I kill a chicken painlessly is that fine? Nothing wrong with plants being killed to me.
If it's a bad thing why aren't you doing something to stop it? People don't just let poor africans suffer, they help them, castrate them, do something, we can't let these massacres go on

No you did that... I'm sticking by BRAIN and NERVOUS SYSTEM as measures of something that feels pain. No it's not fine cos a Chicken has a brain. Nothing wrong with Plants being killed to me either.

I don't act on every immoral thing in the world it would be impossible, but not eating animals is very easy in my country, unlike solving the massive amount of deaths in the wild lol.