Ideas on how to curb mass shootings.

[Jack Handy jr]

Damn. You're blowing my cover.

well It's hard not to notice that you've got the devil as your av, and though it offends my Christian sensibilities, my question to you is how old are you? and if you actually subscribe to what Satanist espouse why?

 

[ripskater]

Was that before or after the preachings of our innate sinful nature and the necessary action of human sacrifice?

May God bless you today ZC.

 

[Bargey]

yet people will keep getting killed by knives.

Serious question. What is the difference between 10 people being killed at once by a spree killer, and 10 people being killed at different times by either a serial killer or a bunch of different killers?

The way I see it its not much, other than one gets more news coverage and fosters more fearmongering.

If someone charges at me from 10 yards with a knife then I'm running or looking to defend using a combination of Japanese JJ and Kung Fu. If someone with basic skills points a firearm at me from 10 yards and pulls the trigger then I'm well and truly f**ked.

 

[Hadron]

yet people will keep getting killed by knives.

Serious question. What is the difference between 10 people being killed at once by a spree killer, and 10 people being killed at different times by either a serial killer or a bunch of different killers?

The way I see it its not much, other than one gets more news coverage and fosters more fearmongering.

I get what you are trying to say, but serial killers with 10 victims get tons of news, and foster tons of fear mongering.

 

[lapollarecords]

Why woudl you think I am trolling? In fact, it says alot about the state of society that suggesting kids watch less sex and violence, stop spending 4 hours a day on average playing war shooters, and to get involved in a church group is considered "trolling".

What has sex to do with violence?

Church group? People dont need brainwashing to be peaceful. Its usually the contrary. The least violent countries on Earth are also the least religious.

 

[ripskater]

What has sex to do with violence?

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It doesn't always go together. But in Elliot Rodger's case it had a lot to do with sex. The kid admitted he only grew up online and had no friends in real life. Based on the fact that he seemed so obsessed with sex in his vlogs, I would bet money he had a bigtime porn addiction.

 

[Hadron]

What has sex to do with violence?

Did you not listen to a thing Elliot Rodgers said?

Church group? People dont need brainwashing to be peaceful. Its usually the contrary. The least violent countries on Earth are also the least religious.

Mountains of studies have shown that people who regularly attend Church are less likely to commit crime. Sorry, but you stand against the entire scientific community on this one.

 

[Zankou]

I recently had to go to a Baptism for my niece. During the ritual (which I use over the word ceremony, because it is more accurate I think) the preacher was speaking about this 6 month old baby and of her sins about to be cleansed. A fucking 6 month old baby.

It made me fucking sick. That's what religion does to people. I cannot stand how the religious talk about morality when they are the ones with much to answer for. Talking to that "sinful baby"... what crimes that baby must have committed screaming for her mothers milk or for a diaper change. Damn that baby, we must speak words over it and dip it into water so as to be cleansed. Disgusting.

Hitchens said it best. Religion preaches that we as a human species are created sick and then commanded to be well. Even the babies. Religion truly does make otherwise good and decent people say and do wicked things.

That is actually one of the least objectionable aspects of Christianity because it's essentially right. They aren't cleansing the baby of sins it has committed, they are cleansing it of original sin, which means its depraved earthly nature, which is hardly any different than what you yourself argued earlier in this thread.

Human beings are animals. I find myself understanding that we are animals more and more every day. I learn about murderers, abusers, thieves, corruption, and so on every day. I cannot turn on the news or read an article without something new completely upsetting me. I also understand that we can not legislate these issues away. It is a scary fact that these issues are a part of our species. They will ALWAYS be here one way or another.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

Dude, c'mon, I'm no fan of religion but the "sin" is original sin, something humans are born with due to the falling out between God and the original humans. Lots of religions have a "baptism" or "cleansing" type of ritual, Catholics just happen to do theirs to babies.

Of all the things to take issue with this one seems a bit excessive.

Of course there are a lot of issues to take up with when it comes to religion, but why do you suggest I should leave some of them out? A ritual in which they preach about this sinful six month old baby is disgusting and ridiculous. It also enforces this notion that we are created sick and then commanded to be well. It guilt trips people into following this system. It enforces the notion that we are in debt to a divine creator - none of which shows any shred of truth.

In fact, this original sin story is PROVEN to be myth. There was no Adam and Eve. Biology and Evolution have proven this. If there is no Adam and Eve - as we know there wasn't, as much as we know the Universe doesn't revolve around the Earth - then the whole notion of Original Sin becomes absurd.

This is how they continue to perpetuate this myth. They take in babies and induct them with rituals and lay claim to the baby as being a Catholic Child or a Christian Child. The same goes with Islam and others. They take in children before they can even think for themselves and brainwash them into their cult.

 

[lapollarecords]

It doesn't always go together. But in Elliot Rodger's case it had a lot to do with sex. The kid admitted he only grew up online and had no friends in real life. Based on the fact that he seemed so obsessed with sex in his vlogs, I would bet money he had a bigtime porn addiction.

But the main problem would be the lack of real life sex. The frustration of not getting layed was what made him act like that, not being exposed to porn or the "moral decay" of society.

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

That is actually one of the least objectionable aspects of Christianity because it's essentially right. They aren't cleansing the baby of sins it has committed, they are cleansing it of original sin, which means its depraved earthly nature, which is hardly any different than what you yourself argued earlier in this thread.

It is the teaching that we are created sick and commanded - upon pain of eternal torment - to be well. If that is one of the least objectionable aspects of Christianity then I cannot imagine what else they do. I do not know how much worse you can get than that.

 

[Hadron]

Of course there are a lot of issues to take up with when it comes to religion, but why do you suggest I should leave some of them out? A ritual in which they preach about this sinful six month old baby is disgusting and ridiculous. It also enforces this notion that we are created sick and then commanded to be well. It guilt trips people into following this system. It enforces the notion that we are in debt to a divine creator - none of which shows any shred of truth.

People are sinful by nature. Everyone will commit a sin at some point. To keep yourself from becoming consumed by it takes a powerful and constant diligence.


Cleansing a baby of original sin and commanding it to be good is no different than an atheist saying "I'm going to be a good dad and raise my son not to be an criminal". Both recognize that without the right guidance, the likelyhood that the child strays naturally from the moral path is much higher.

And you are in debt to a divine creator. He created the universe and everything in it. How could you possibly not be in debt?

 

[panamaican]

But the main problem would be the lack of real life sex. The frustration of not getting layed was what made him act like that, not being exposed to porn or the "moral decay" of society.

sure but the exposure to porn and the way society's relationship currently is with sex certainly made him feel his lack of real life sex more keenly than if he didn't think others were having so much more sex than him.

We've gone from a society where no one knows who's doing it to one where we assume that everyone's doing it and that they're doing lots of it in crazy positions with multiple partners and the occasional gerbil. :icon_lol:

Of course, for guys like that they're going to feel it more keenly - that they're not measuring up and that someone must be to blame because in every other way they perceive themselves as successful individuals.

 

[Hadron]

But the main problem would be the lack of real life sex. The frustration of not getting layed was what made him act like that, not being exposed to porn or the "moral decay" of society.

The fact that he, like many others, lust after sex so much is caused by the moral decay. He said several times that it bothered him that women were having sex with people other than himself. When we abandoned the institution of marriage, we invited this rift in the male hierarchy. Now, a small percentage of men are having sex with a large percentage of the females, and an increasing number of men are growing into their mid-20's as virgins. See Japan for instance. This effect is even greater there.


In a moral society, the institution and sanctity of marriage is preserved, and each man only finds himself with one woman. And seeing as how women outnumber men, people like Rodgers will be extremely rare.

 

[TheBox]

sure but the exposure to porn and the way society's relationship currently is with sex certainly made him feel his lack of real life sex more keenly than if he didn't think others were having so much more sex than him.

I could be wrong, but it didn't sound like he was just having trouble getting laid; he had never had ANY success with women.

I think that generally would be viewed as highly embarrassing for men in their 20s in almost any era.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This can should be done in the media and schools.

Outright teach that these mass murderers were cowardly, pathetic, and brought shame upon their families for the rest of their lives.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if the media is consciously fueling these random mass shootings for political means.

 

[Hadron]

I could be wrong, but it didn't sound like he was just having trouble getting laid; he had never had ANY success with women.

I think that generally would be viewed as highly embarrassing for men in their 20s in almost any era.

It was far more rare for people in previous generations because they were largely monogamous.

We have abandoned monogamy in modern society, and now a small percentage of men mate with a large percentage of women.

http://uber-facts.com/2012/11/27/14-of-japanese-men-ages-30-to-34-are-still-virgins/

 

[Zeke's Chaingun]

People are sinful by nature. Everyone will commit a sin at some point. To keep yourself from becoming consumed by it takes a powerful and constant diligence.

Wrong. We are human beings. We are a part of the animal kingdom. We - as are all living creatures - flawed. Sin carries religious implication and has no basis in reality. Saying everyone will make mistakes is like saying everyone will fall when learning to walk. It is a part of nature and there is nothing inherantly wrong with it.

Cleansing a baby of original sin and commanding it to be good is no different than an atheist saying "I'm going to be a good dad and raise my son not to be an criminal". Both recognize that without the right guidance, the likelyhood that the child strays naturally from the moral path is much higher.

There is a major difference. Raising your child to make good and reasonable choices is not indoctrinating them into a mythical guilt trip. It is not making them feel guilty for something they did not do nor hold responsibility for. Telling my child not to steal isn't holding them accountable for the theft others have committed. That's what you and your religion does. You're teaching them that they are inherantly guilty and there is only one way to find redemption. That is disgusting and wrong.

And you are in debt to a divine creator. He created the universe and everything in it. How could you possibly not be in debt?

Because I have no reason to believe that such a being exists. Just because you bought into one of the thousands of creation myths doesn't lend it a shred of credibility. We have very good methods of deducing what is credible and what is not. These methods are what took us from horsedrawn carts to the moon in 75 years. These methods are what allowed us to learn what stars a billion light years away from us are/were made of. It allowed us to learn the age of the Universe, the Earth, and our Sun. It allowed us mastery over natural forces that enabled us to create computers, spacecraft, airplanes, cars, driers, and so on. These methods are proven to work. These methods applied to any of the creation myth stories of the thousands of religions yield absolutely zero validating evidence.

So no, I am not indebted to some random myth you accept because it happened to be a part of the culture you were brought up in.

 

[Gametheory]

we cant teach children morals...I believe that's somehow "bigoted" or something? :icon_neut

No, your morals are bigoted.
We're talking about teaching common sense, not hating people because of book written by droolers.

 

[j123]

And seeing as how women outnumber men, people like Rodgers will be extremely rare.

With China having men outnumbering women it might tell a different tale

But with regards to the OP, I'm not sure how much of an improvement this would be, but I'd say teaching kids social skills consistently might help the social awkwardness