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By Hanna Ziady, CNN
Updated 12:14 PM EDT, Mon October 30, 2023

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Output in Germany fell slightly in the third quarter, official data showed Monday, increasing the risk of a recession in Europe’s biggest economy.

Gross domestic product dropped 0.1% in the July-to-September period compared with the previous quarter, when it grew 0.1%, according to Germany’s Federal Statistical Office (Destatis).

A fall in consumer spending drove the decline. On the other hand, investment by companies into machinery and equipment made a positive contribution to GDP, Destatis said.

The data bodes ill for the entire area that uses the euro because Germany is the largest of its 20 economies.
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“Germany’s economy is once again teetering on the brink of a technical recession,” said Claus Vistesen, chief eurozone economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics. A technical recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of declining output.

The German economy has been flirting with recession for almost a year. GDP shrank in the final three months of 2022 before stagnating in the first quarter of this year, according to revised data from Destatis. (An initial estimate by the statistics office had shown two consecutive quarters of declining output.)
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“Germany’s economy is now firmly stuck in the mud,” Vistesen said, noting that it was doubtful the economy would recover in the fourth quarter. “Risks are tilted to the downside for the start of 2024,” he added.

There was better news on inflation. Consumer prices rose 3% on average in October compared with a year ago, according to an initial estimate published by Destatis Monday. This marked a sharp slowdown from a rate of 4.3% in September.

A drop in energy prices over the past year — from very high levels last fall — dampened this month’s inflation reading, Destatis said.
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Recession or stagnation?

While Germany’s economy may be particularly hard-hit, business activity in the rest of the euro area has also been lackluster and economists think a period of stagnation, or even a mild recession, is looming in the region.

A recent survey of companies in the eurozone’s manufacturing and services sectors signaled a steep decline in output in October. The outlook for demand for goods and services also worsened.
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Economists say the picture is unlikely to improve soon, as the country’s vast manufacturing sector grapples with weak Chinese demand, high energy costs and painful interest rate hikes. Companies in the sector are shedding jobs at the fastest rate in three years, as new orders decline and confidence remains “deeply negative,” according to survey data for October published last week.

Last week, the European Central Bank kept interest rates unchanged — breaking a spell of 10 consecutive rate hikes — following a sharp drop in eurozone inflation in September and more evidence of economic weakness. ECB President Christine Lagarde warned that risks to growth “remain tilted to the downside” and said the Israel-Hamas war meant a “less predictable” outlook for energy prices.

Still, third-quarter GDP data in the euro area is a “mixed bag so far,” according to Bert Colijn, senior eurozone economist at Dutch bank ING. He pointed out that, while Germany and Austria contracted, Belgium and Spain grew strongly. “This makes it likely that eurozone GDP did not contract in the third quarter — but a small decline in the fourth quarter is a realistic prospect,” he wrote in a note.

Euro area GDP data is due out Tuesday.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/30/business/germany-economy-q3-gdp/index.html
 
Germany: More gloom as exports dip in September
Richard Connor

German exports in September slumped compared with the same period a year ago, with foreign markets feeling the pain of high interest rates and economic uncertainty. Shipments abroad also declined compared with August.

German exports dropped sharply in a year-on-year comparison for September, with imports plummeting even further.

The figures, published by the federal statistics agency Destatis on Friday, further highlight the difficulties faced by German businesses with reduced demand both at home and abroad.

How do the numbers stack up?
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Compared with August, exports for September fell by 2.4%, a bigger drop than the 1.1% expected by experts.

Exports fell 7.5% compared with September 2022, with imports falling by a startling 16.6%.

Destatis said a fall in exports to China of 7.6% from August had weighed heavily on the figures. Shipments to the United States were down 4%, and exports to other EU countries dropped by 2.1%.


Germany's trade surplus — the difference between exports and imports — fell to €16.5 billion from €17.7 billion in August.

On one positive note, the agency revised its figures for August to show a 0.1% growth in exports month-on-month rather than a decline as had been reported previously.

What do the figures indicate?
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The drop could lead to a downward revision to an estimate earlier this week that Germany's gross domestic product fell by 0.1% in the third quarter of 2023.

"Like the rest of the German economy, exports remain stuck in the twilight zone between recession and stagnation," said ING bank economist Carsten Brzeski.

He said supply chain frictions, a more fragmented global economy, and China becoming more of a competitor than an important destination for products were all weighing heavily on exports. Trade has also been harmed by stubbornly high energy prices, slowing demand due to inflation, and elevated interest rates.

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"Maybe the only upside of today's disappointing data is that things can hardly get worse," Brzeski said. "However, as positive signals remain absent, the base case for the German economy over the next months remains stagnation at best."

The German government in October predicted the economy would contract by 0.4% this year, a sharp downgrade from previous government forecasts.

The International Monetary Fund forecasts that Germany will be the only major advanced economy to contract in 2023, creating a drag on growth in the wider eurozone.

While you're here: Every Tuesday, DW editors round up what is happening in German politics and society. You can sign up here for the weekly email newsletter Berlin Briefing.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-more-gloom-as-exports-dip-in-september/a-67297691
 
You can't run an economy without energy. Every single object around you took a ton of energy to create, from the extraction of raw materials to production and to transport to you. Things around you were built in a time energy was cheap; the only reason the situation isn't critical yet is because we're coasting on the fumes. Remove cheap energy and the whole system crumbles. That's what countries like Germany did as they purposefully shut down almost all infrastructure that could have produced cheap energy for them.

I don't think the people falling for the "sustainable development" propaganda realize what kind of future they're signing up for: it's one with a very low quality of life and suffocating top-down control, if we use the most optimistic wording. We've already established that all you need to do is wrap a negative agenda in a bunch of platitudes for most people to go along with it; herd behaviour is one of humanity's most significant sicknesses. In any case, those with a keen eye will have noticed that the conversation is never truly about reducing emissions, but about 'offsetting' them by buying carbon credits. As billionaires buy out the natural world and commodify everything that used to be part of the global commons, you will be expected to 'offset' your carbon emissions by buying credits from them, thus constantly generating profit for their assets. One of the ways through which they intend to accomplish this is by using the newly-created natural asset class and it's accompanying listing vehicle the 'Natural Asset Company' (NAC). The role of the NAC is to maintain, manage and grow natural assets that are deemed profitable. IEG calculated that if all of nature was commodified, the entire world economy would go from an asset value of $512 trillion to an asset value of $4,000 trillion. That's what the bankers mean when they say ESG opens up 'new markets.' ESG is all about a power grab, on one hand, by using climate change as an excuse to scrutinize and monitor your consumption and behaviour using "smart" technology and CBDC, but it's also about making the people at the top a lot of money by charging you for basic natural resources required for life that used to be free and ought to be free.
 
I don't think the people falling for the "sustainable development" propaganda realize what kind of future they're signing up for: it's one with a very low quality of life and suffocating top-down control, if we use the most optimistic wording.

I don't know if you're referring to any specific group, but the idea is generally not to stop using energy but to generate energy that doesn't pollute the atmosphere, prop up authoritarian regimes, and contribute to climate change. There's no "top-down control" involved at all. In fact, there are ideas to get people off the grid.
 
As I've read a few times, Germany has largely self inflicted the economic pain they are going through now. I don't know if this is something they are recover from. I hope that Germany does, but with the green path they have taken, I'm not so sure. Apparently Germany is seeing companies leave the country for other locations that have cheaper energy. Time will tell as they saying goes.
 
I don't know if you're referring to any specific group, but the idea is generally not to stop using energy but to generate energy that doesn't pollute the atmosphere, prop up authoritarian regimes, and contribute to climate change. There's no "top-down control" involved at all. In fact, there are ideas to get people off the grid.

I suspect that the poster you are responding to has no real understanding of energy market policy either domestically or internationally. Just a hunch.
 
You can't run an economy without energy. Every single object around you took a ton of energy to create, from the extraction of raw materials to production and to transport to you. Things around you were built in a time energy was cheap; the only reason the situation isn't critical yet is because we're coasting on the fumes. Remove cheap energy and the whole system crumbles. That's what countries like Germany did as they purposefully shut down almost all infrastructure that could have produced cheap energy for them.

I don't think the people falling for the "sustainable development" propaganda realize what kind of future they're signing up for: it's one with a very low quality of life and suffocating top-down control, if we use the most optimistic wording. We've already established that all you need to do is wrap a negative agenda in a bunch of platitudes for most people to go along with it; herd behaviour is one of humanity's most significant sicknesses. In any case, those with a keen eye will have noticed that the conversation is never truly about reducing emissions, but about 'offsetting' them by buying carbon credits. As billionaires buy out the natural world and commodify everything that used to be part of the global commons, you will be expected to 'offset' your carbon emissions by buying credits from them, thus constantly generating profit for their assets. One of the ways through which they intend to accomplish this is by using the newly-created natural asset class and it's accompanying listing vehicle the 'Natural Asset Company' (NAC). The role of the NAC is to maintain, manage and grow natural assets that are deemed profitable. IEG calculated that if all of nature was commodified, the entire world economy would go from an asset value of $512 trillion to an asset value of $4,000 trillion. That's what the bankers mean when they say ESG opens up 'new markets.' ESG is all about a power grab, on one hand, by using climate change as an excuse to scrutinize and monitor your consumption and behaviour using "smart" technology and CBDC, but it's also about making the people at the top a lot of money by charging you for basic natural resources required for life that used to be free and ought to be free.
Germany does have not lesser ammounts of coal than Ukraine had before war.
Lazy and money hungry degenerates just appeared so concerned about too " high" local workforce salaries and started to Loss their brains.
Nothing wrong, they still are concerned about emissions despite war in Ukraine generates considerably more emmisons and pollution than Germany ....
Damn..
 
I still to this day can't fathom why Germany is so against nuclear energy.
It does take a while to build these facilities, but the pay off is worth it imo. And you wouldn't be relying on mr soviet over there in russia
 
It does take a while to build these facilities, but the pay off is worth it imo. And you wouldn't be relying on mr soviet over there in russia
They are talking how bad is coal, despite Germany does have huge local reserves.
Easier is to purchase Russian natural gas....

While if about recession this too is exaggerated.
Eurozone isn't Germany alone and it is huge, large economy where.....
+2% GDP growth or -2% recession anyway is just stagnation nothing else.
 
It does take a while to build these facilities, but the pay off is worth it imo. And you wouldn't be relying on mr soviet over there in russia

The Germans already had Nuclear Power Plants, they just decided to shut them down and rely on renewables and Russian energy instead. No one could have possibly seen this becoming an issue.
 
Aren’t Germany in the EU?

I was led to believe that the EU was the be all, end all cure for society.
 
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