I started Judo: Osoto Gari

osotogari is the 3rd leading cause of death in Japan after heart attacks and Gojira
 
notafighter86 said:
The problem with a throw like o-goshi is beginners often try to throw the guy over thier hip using upper body strength rather than throwing them using the hip. As a turing throw i'd rather show beginners something like morote seoi nage.

Personally i don't see any problem with trying to develop a small repertoire of throws, but if he's just started then I think your right in that he shouldn't get too focused on one throw. Find out whats on the menu before you choose your dish.
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My BJJ gmy being in Japan, they do Judo a bit as well. They teach osoto goshi, basically everytime. I as of yet have figured out how to do it. Super slow learner when it comes to gi TDs methinks.
 
Q mystic said:
He did a yr of nogi tho. Nogi fellas cant do gi worth beans. They're worse than norm. Let him do the dynamics of ogoshi and osoto 1st to see the extra control. Besides, seoinage while learned early doesnt take into effect until fella typically goes thru his goshi/guruma stages anyway. You see bjjers demoing seoinage? Or wrestlers for that matter? Its actually pretty complex.lol.
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Thrawn33 said:
I agree. Seoi seems to be one of them techniques you learn early, drill every practice but take years to be able to be able to hit it in comp on a consistant basis.

Very underrated thow, skill-wise.
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Thats sort of why I said I'd show it to beginners. Because it's not a throw that you can muscle, you need to get the technique down before you start throwing them. In the same way as Osoto-gari. And tell me a throw that doesn't take years of practice to hit in comp on a consistant basis.

Not sure what you mean by wrestlers and BJJers. I started with BJJ and found seoi nage to be a staple of mine. Also, at a wrestling class I was shown a takedown that was basically Ippon seoi nage, but you continued to corkscrew into/under them.
 
barmyone45 said:
I heard someone say in another thread that Jon Jones did an Osoto Gari on Matt Hammil, I didn't see that one and I tried looking it up on all the usual illicit sites but I couldn't find a working version.

Anyone got a gif?
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Osoto Garia and Harai Goshi are sort of on a continuum, as depending on the angle you take one can easily turn into the other.

This was the first throw I ever did well, still one of my main techniques. I love it. I will say that as I got better (and you can watch competition footage to verify this) I learned that rather than the classical demo way of pushing the elbow down, it's really more of an out motion, where you isolate their weight on one leg and then hook that leg and drive them over it.

In any case, great throw.
 
oh you know what would be fun here? let's get all the judo players into an argument!

best direction to throw osoto - straight back, or 45 degrees?

a lot of people at my club take this big hop to the outside.


like this.

which, IMO, is a shit osotogari. no chest contact, too hands-y, shitty follow through on the swing. it's the bullshido judo osotogari, if you will. you know, the step-behind-my-opponent-and-push-them-over-my-leg-white-belt osotogari.

i try to hit it yamashita style:



chest contact, lots of swing, and straight back. i kind of imagine coming out of a football or track stance, and trying to get my leg into their calf/knee at the same time my chest hits theirs.

flame on.
 
RJ Green said:
oh you know what would be fun here? let's get all the judo players into an argument!

best direction to throw osoto - straight back, or 45 degrees?

a lot of people at my club take this big hop to the outside.


like this.

which, IMO, is a shit osotogari. no chest contact, too hands-y, shitty follow through on the swing. it's the bullshido judo osotogari, if you will. you know, the step-behind-my-opponent-and-push-them-over-my-leg-white-belt osotogari.

i try to hit it yamashita style:



chest contact, lots of swing, and straight back. i kind of imagine coming out of a football or track stance, and trying to get my leg into their calf/knee at the same time my chest hits theirs.

flame on.
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I'll flame the shit out of this, because while Yamashita (and every other classically trained Judoka) show it this way, NO ONE ACTUALLY DOES IT LIKE THIS IN MATCHES. That's the first time I've ever used all caps on Sherdog, I feel so strongly about this.

O-Soto-Gari Compilation (by Yukiore) - YouTube

I really need to learn to embed, but this vid has some good Osotos from competition, including one by Yamashita himself, where he throws it at 45 degrees. You simply can't enter straight into good players as in the classical throw. The 45 degree method is the only workable way of doing it in comp. I've won plenty of matches with this throw, and I've never been able to enter straight in.

It may be that the classical method is the best way of practicing the throw, but in terms of actually making it work in matches, it NEVER WORKS LIKE THAT.

Fww...I've a little overwrought, not gonna lie. I feel pretty strongly about this topic.
 


There you go!

EDIT: Looks like it forces you to watch it on youtube anyway. Lame.
 
Uchi Mata said:
I'll flame the shit out of this, because while Yamashita (and every other classically trained Judoka) show it this way, NO ONE ACTUALLY DOES IT LIKE THIS IN MATCHES. That's the first time I've ever used all caps on Sherdog, I feel so strongly about this.

O-Soto-Gari Compilation (by Yukiore) - YouTube

I really need to learn to embed, but this vid has some good Osotos from competition, including one by Yamashita himself, where he throws it at 45 degrees. You simply can't enter straight into good players as in the classical throw. The 45 degree method is the only workable way of doing it in comp. I've won plenty of matches with this throw, and I've never been able to enter straight in.

It may be that the classical method is the best way of practicing the throw, but in terms of actually making it work in matches, it NEVER WORKS LIKE THAT.

Fww...I've a little overwrought, not gonna lie. I feel pretty strongly about this topic.
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Beat me to it.

Competition Osoto gari is like sumi otoshi with a leg reap, people fail to understand that there is classical judo and there is competition judo.
 
alkaline02 said:


There you go!

EDIT: Looks like it forces you to watch it on youtube anyway. Lame.
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Thank you. Nothing like 60 secs of Osoto porn.

As for Yamashita's Osoto drills, my coach was at that clinic, and he took what he learned back. While the straight on Osoto is rare in comp, the fundamentals that were taught were easily applied to competition.
 
The only Osoto I ever catch people with is a ken-ken, as I'm typically taller than most people it's "easy" to hook the leg and hop into it. Otherwise I like it off of the sasai.
 
So is anyone feeling brave and want to explain to me what the Tenri shrug is? Still not entirely sure I understand this variation.
 
I love when beginners just blindly dive into osoto gari, when done incorrectly it has to be one of the easiest throws to counter. It is a very hard throw to set up and get into position imo, but it is still a great fundamental throw that even the most advanced people can succeed at.
 
Uchi Mata said:
I'll flame the shit out of this, because while Yamashita (and every other classically trained Judoka) show it this way, NO ONE ACTUALLY DOES IT LIKE THIS IN MATCHES. That's the first time I've ever used all caps on Sherdog, I feel so strongly about this.

O-Soto-Gari Compilation (by Yukiore) - YouTube

I really need to learn to embed, but this vid has some good Osotos from competition, including one by Yamashita himself, where he throws it at 45 degrees. You simply can't enter straight into good players as in the classical throw. The 45 degree method is the only workable way of doing it in comp. I've won plenty of matches with this throw, and I've never been able to enter straight in.

It may be that the classical method is the best way of practicing the throw, but in terms of actually making it work in matches, it NEVER WORKS LIKE THAT.

Fww...I've a little overwrought, not gonna lie. I feel pretty strongly about this topic.
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This is a helpful post. As a BJJer I have been taught this throw many times and always found it somewhat silly -- there's no way you can get the throw the way they teach it. I always assumed that a true judo stance maybe makes it work differently, because in BJJ you can't possibly get the kind of contact they teach. Sounds like it's modified in judo too, however. It all makes much more sense now that you've clarified this.
 
Higus said:
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Strange setup, but you can pull off some weird looking moves with a frame like that, I guess.
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jones is a freak, that was terrible technique and he still threw him with complete ease.

Osoto gari can hurt a lot in practice because in trips/reaps, your head is coming all the way down to the ground very quickly. and this is a powerful one.

compared to throws, it hurts your head and not your back as much.

i like to use ouchi gari though, i find its easy to time and catch them by surprise.
 
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