I never understood "Sea level Cain"

I think the nature of SD, and the catchiness of Sea Level Cain, combined perpetuated the myth....maybe..
 
I think he could win a rematch, but it never happened. Dude just spent all those years on the shelf and to be fair if he didnt want to fight then why fight? He had the belt twice and was successful, made money etc.

If he wanted to fight so bad he would have appeared more than he did. Dude went ghost for years at a time.
 
If werdum had better cardio at altitude he would have had EVEN better cardio at sea level.

That's why sea level cain never made sense.
 
Excuses of sore fans , that is all. Cain was a great fighter, but far far away from being GOAT material. He got outclassed by a better fighter. That fight could have happened anywhere, the result would be the same 9/10.
 
Aside from the fact that Cain is the most overrated fighter ever, it's just a joke bro.
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Mediocre boxing? How did he then put strike JDS for 10 rounds? I don’t remember the Werdum fight that much except that it was clear Cain gassed quickly and that if they ever rematches my money would be on Cain. Not thinking altitude played a big role in that fight is pretty naive.
 
ImNotMirsadBektic said:
What makes you think he would have won that fight if he had better cardio? The only difference it would have made is him being beaten up for a few more rounds lol. He's a GnP wrestler with mediocre boxing, Werdum would have tooled him in the stand up with his MT or subbed him using his BJJ the same way except for it taking slightly longer to finish him.

Cain literally had nothing to offer to Werdum, he wasn't a powerful striker with decent TDD (Ngannou) or a wrestler with more of a focus on boxing (Miocic). He was a fat, small version of Curtis Blaydes who could GnP strikers with bad TDD (JDS) and wrestlers of similar type as Cain who couldn't stop the takedown (Brock).

He is probably not even in my top 10 all time MMA heavyweights.
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I love it when MMA fans make threads about stupid they are.


Cain lost that fight because of three reasons - Injuries, ring rust, and poor preparation for the elevation. Period.

There was 18 months between the second JDS and Werdum fights that Cain had several surgeries.

18 months of no competition... there's no question that was a big factor.

As for the 'Sea Level Cain' jokes, which even I use, Mexico City has a minimum elevation of 7,200 feet, while Las Vegas is only 2,000 feet. That's an entire MILE difference in elevation. Cain made the stupid decision of flying out to Mexico two weeks ahead of the fight to acclimate to the elevation, which wasn't enough. Werdum, to his credit, had his entire fight camp in Mexico City.

I've watched Cain's fights with Big Nog, JDS, Lesnar, and Big Foot many times over and when I saw Cain's first strikes against Werdum in the first round I thought 'Something is VERY VERY off.' No precision, easily avoided by Werdum, and alot of wasted movement.

If you watch Cain's fights before Werdum, and then watch the Werdum fight again, you'll see Cain wasn't the fighter he used to be.

Hell, even at UFC200 a year later Cain still wasn't at 100%, more like 80%, if that.
 
daniel san said:
Mediocre boxing? How did he then put strike JDS for 10 rounds? I don’t remember the Werdum fight that much except that it was clear Cain gassed quickly and that if they ever rematches my money would be on Cain. Not thinking altitude played a big role in that fight is pretty naive.
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Sonnen dominated Anderson even on the feet. So Sonnen has a great boxing, better than Anderson's, right?
 
USADA affected more people than we'd care to admit. Even though I believe he was off PEDs before USADA came into play.
 
Gambit MMA said:
I think he could win a rematch, but it never happened. Dude just spent all those years on the shelf and to be fair if he didnt want to fight then why fight? He had the belt twice and was successful, made money etc.

If he wanted to fight so bad he would have appeared more than he did. Dude went ghost for years at a time.
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The first round he did land a good deal of strikes, not impossible on another day one of those hurts Werdum but I think style wise it wasn't a good fight for him IMHO.

The big issue cardio wise I'd say was that he couldn't take a break, vs JDS a lot of the 2nd and 3rd fights were basically Cain backing Jnr up to the cage, landing a few strikes then clinching and taking a breather before landing a few more strikes. That didn't work vs Werdum, every time he fench clinched Werdum grabed the thai plum and because Cain didn't want to take him down he had to back off and keep exchanging.
 
Younger Werdum was pretty beastly, no shame in losing to him. Very bad match up for Cain. Werdum has the edge in stand up and good enough BJJ to really strike without caring too much about a takedown.
 
Johnnny said:
Mediocre boxing... wasn't a powerful striker... that honestly sounds much more like Werdum than Cain.

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By the way, elite wrestling defeats elite BJJ in modern MMA much more often than the other way around. But cardio is necessary to wrestle, hence "Sea level Cain."
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No it doesn't. Guys like Werdum and Maia have subbed like every or almost every wrestler that took them down. Every ADDCer or Mundialer with a good guard game has the advantage over a wrestler on the ground, regardlessof bottom or top. Unless you get a knockdown on them in the stand up, that changes things up a bit.
 
ArlovskiFang said:
If werdum had better cardio at altitude he would have had EVEN better cardio at sea level.

That's why sea level cain never made sense.
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There is some bro science about it, but boxers have been training at altitude to improve their cardio, the masks have been trying to replicate but its not the same, you need to live there for longer and the effects are not exactly permanent, its something about the blood taking more oxygen.

Anyway, Werdum not only moved to Mexico for 2 months before the fight, he went to a place near Mexico city but so much higher, Cain arrived to Mexico city like 10 days before the fight, its not like Werdum was going to have better cardio if they had fought in Vegas, simply cause he is not going to train at altitude for a Vegas fight, but he knew Mexico city altitude was going to be a problem, he got prepared and Cain didnt.
 
Post 2 Decision said:
Werdum was a nightmare matchup for Cain, it was easy money


Prime Werdum had underrated stand up, nasty clinchwork, and obviously wasn't worried about getting taken down
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and he was probably on shit too.... sorry, used to love Werdum but he's a proven cheater
 
GearSolidMetal said:
I love it when MMA fans make threads about stupid they are.


Cain lost that fight because of three reasons - Injuries, ring rust, and poor preparation for the elevation. Period.

There was 18 months between the second JDS and Werdum fights that Cain had several surgeries.

18 months of no competition... there's no question that was a big factor.

As for the 'Sea Level Cain' jokes, which even I use, Mexico City has a minimum elevation of 7,200 feet, while Las Vegas is only 2,000 feet. That's an entire MILE difference in elevation. Cain made the stupid decision of flying out to Mexico two weeks ahead of the fight to acclimate to the elevation, which wasn't enough. Werdum, to his credit, had his entire fight camp in Mexico City.

I've watched Cain's fights with Big Nog, JDS, Lesnar, and Big Foot many times over and when I saw Cain's first strikes against Werdum in the first round I thought 'Something is VERY VERY off.' No precision, easily avoided by Werdum, and alot of wasted movement.

If you watch Cain's fights before Werdum, and then watch the Werdum fight again, you'll see Cain wasn't the fighter he used to be.

Hell, even at UFC200 a year later Cain still wasn't at 100%, more like 80%, if that.
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Werdum moved his camp to a place near Mexico city called "Centro ceremonial Otomi", that is 10,500ft high, Mexican boxers use to go there.
 
It’s a bullshit excuse. Werdum beat up Cain plain and simple, even in the first round. Werdum was just a lot better standing than Cain was and sent him back to his corner beaten and bloody in one round. You gas quick when your nose and mouth are beaten and bleeding profusely.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
I love it when MMA fans make threads about stupid they are.


Cain lost that fight because of three reasons - Injuries, ring rust, and poor preparation for the elevation. Period.

There was 18 months between the second JDS and Werdum fights that Cain had several surgeries.

18 months of no competition... there's no question that was a big factor.

As for the 'Sea Level Cain' jokes, which even I use, Mexico City has a minimum elevation of 7,200 feet, while Las Vegas is only 2,000 feet. That's an entire MILE difference in elevation. Cain made the stupid decision of flying out to Mexico two weeks ahead of the fight to acclimate to the elevation, which wasn't enough. Werdum, to his credit, had his entire fight camp in Mexico City.

I've watched Cain's fights with Big Nog, JDS, Lesnar, and Big Foot many times over and when I saw Cain's first strikes against Werdum in the first round I thought 'Something is VERY VERY off.' No precision, easily avoided by Werdum, and alot of wasted movement.

If you watch Cain's fights before Werdum, and then watch the Werdum fight again, you'll see Cain wasn't the fighter he used to be.

Hell, even at UFC200 a year later Cain still wasn't at 100%, more like 80%, if that.
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Cain lost that fight in the first round by getting beat up by Werdum standing. Period. Anybody will gas in one round when their nose is beaten flat and bleeding. Make excuses about ring rust all you want, his conditioning had nothing to do with him getting beaten up in the first round.
 
It's more to do with pre USADA cain. His supplement intake was obviously much reduced at altitude.
 
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