I need help understanding how the triangle choke work's?

[manhands0201]

I am having trouble understanding it. I understand what it's meant to do Apply pressure to he arteries on the side of the neck and deprive the brain of oxygen. But it seems at least how i look at it like I only hit's one side of the neck. can someone explain further so I can understand it.

 

[Shemhazai]

The other side is blocked by the opponent's shoulder being smashed into the neck. This is why you can block the standard triangle choke by overhooking the leg tightly, thus making space between your shoulder and the same-side carotid artery.

 

[judogido]

That's why you have to pull the opponent's opposite arm across. To close the gap on the other side of the neck. You can also apply pressure further by pulling down the back of the head to further close the gap.

 

[TastyLumpia]

You DO NOT have to pull the arm across. It is the least important part of finishing the triangle and. Finishing is more about posture/head control and the perpendicular angle.

Simple explanation of the mechanics by one of the best trianglers and teachers in the game, Ryan "Ryangle" Hall:





...And read this thread, MikeyTriangles says:

Triangle Thread

 

[RedNeckJiuJitsu]

You don't have to pull the arm across, but it makes it a lot easier if you can get it there.

 

[Nedrin]

You DO NOT have to pull the arm across. It literally is the least important part of finishing the triangle next to posture/head control and the perpendicular angle.

Simple explanation of the mechanics by one of the best trianglers and teachers in the game, Ryan "Ryangle" Hall:

Nice one, thanks

 

[Atikkus**]

yea yea thx for that ryan hall vid'

 

[charmander]

One side is being blocked by the leg and the other by the opponent's own arm.

 

[redaxe]

You DO NOT have to pull the arm across. It literally is the least important part of finishing the triangle next to posture/head control and the perpendicular angle.

Simple explanation of the mechanics by one of the best trianglers and teachers in the game, Ryan "Ryangle" Hall:

uhh, you're saying posture/head control is one of the least important parts of finishing a triangle?

I'd argue that controlling your opponent's posture is THE MOST important part. If he can posture up, you're not going to finish the choke no matter what you do. And you usually can't even initiate a triangle choke in the first place if you can't break his posture first.

 

[Balto]

uhh, you're saying posture/head control is one of the least important parts of finishing a triangle?

I'd argue that controlling your opponent's posture is THE MOST important part. If he can posture up, you're not going to finish the choke no matter what you do. And you usually can't even initiate a triangle choke in the first place if you can't break his posture first.

I'm pretty sure he just made a typo there. Controlling posture and getting a perpendicular angle are definitely the most important parts.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/triangle-thread-1134058/

read that thread^^^^

 

[mepersoner]

I think when he said next to he was referring to how the arm is the least important compared to posture control and angle.

 

[Dynassty]

I'm pretty sure he just made a typo there. Controlling posture and getting a perpendicular angle are definitely the most important parts.

I think if he is asking how a triangle choke works, I think telling him to get the arm across is sufficient for now and usually for beginners, getting the arm across is the first step towards getting that perpendicular angle to finish anyway...

 

[TastyLumpia]

I think if he is asking how a triangle choke works, I think telling him to get the arm across is sufficient for now and usually for beginners, getting the arm across is the first step towards getting that perpendicular angle to finish anyway...

The importance of getting the arm across is a misconception and is not really that relevant for finishing the triangle on any level, beginning or advanced. Posture control > perpendicular angle >>>>>>>> arm across.

 

[FWTG]

The importance of getting the arm across is a misconception and is not really that relevant for finishing the triangle on any level, beginning or advanced. Posture control > perpendicular angle >>>>>>>> arm across.

While true to an extent I know myself with shortish legs the only way im finishing a standard triangle without the arm across is if the guy has almost no upper body mass. Otherwise its impossible for me to close it properly. If you got long legs then its doesnt matter as much.

 

[TastyLumpia]

While true to an extent I know myself with shortish legs the only way im finishing a standard triangle without the arm across is if the guy has almost no upper body mass. Otherwise its impossible for me to close it properly. If you got long legs then its doesnt matter as much.

The standard figure-four triangle doesn't lend itself well to those with very short legs anyway. I prefer the variations Mike Fowler and Marcelo Garcia show.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

While true to an extent I know myself with shortish legs the only way im finishing a standard triangle without the arm across is if the guy has almost no upper body mass. Otherwise its impossible for me to close it properly. If you got long legs then its doesnt matter as much.

The thing is the "arm" itself is not important. it does not have to be across his neck, but it does have to be within a certain range for the choke to work and be properly locked. The reason is not so much because of the arm, but because the arm is attached to the shoulder. getting the shoulder into his neck is the important thing here. when you do that locking and finishing the triangle is cake.

obviously you can't say the arm can go anywhere because if the arm wraps around your leg that creates space between the shoulder and neck, weakens the lock, and potentially neutralizes the choke.

 

[TastyLumpia]

The thing is the "arm" itself is not important. it does not have to be across his neck, but it does have to be within a certain range for the choke to work and be properly locked. The reason is not so much because of the arm, but because the arm is attached to the shoulder. getting the shoulder into his neck is the important thing here. when you do that locking and finishing the triangle is cake.

obviously you can't say the arm can go anywhere because if the arm wraps around your leg that creates space between the shoulder and neck, weakens the lock, and potentially neutralizes the choke.

Yup. It depends on the individual anatomy, but you have to get your legs past a certain point over the shoulder for the choke to be of any effect.

And if the opponent wraps the leg, there a number of high-percentage transitions to attack from there. I actually prefer the leg wrap because the opponent is essentially locking themselves to me.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Yup. It depends on the individual anatomy, but you have to get your legs past a certain point over the shoulder for the choke to be of any effect.

And if the opponent wraps the leg, there a number of high-percentage transitions to attack from there. I actually prefer the leg wrap because the opponent is essentially locking themselves to me.

this is true, but I wanted to point out that simply saying the arm can go anywhere once you lock the triangle isn't very accurate. Pretty much all of those attacks when they wrap the leg require you to change the position, or get the arm back within range. i usually like it when they wrap the leg also, but it still basically neutralizes the original triangle attempt.