I have ZERO sympathy for fighters who were 'robbed' of a decision. Here's why

big franklin said:
I'm sick....

Sick and tired of hearing the same drivel every day on Sherdog - 'Jared Gordon won', 'KKF was robbed', 'The judges gifted O'Malley a win', 'The judges shady as hell'. It's always the same shit. People even gaslighting KKF into thinking he was robbed of his full earnings and rank. I'm so sick...

Losing fighters clearly feel some type of way they lose a close fight. However, there's a simple solution to this debacle. The solution?

DONT LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES.

Either dominate the other fighter or secure a finish. Plain n simple. Don't like they decision? Tough luck. YOU failed to convince the judges so YOU lost. Next time make your 'win' more convincing. You ain't getting big franklin's support.
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I have to agree....the whole goal is to leave no doubt in a fight...and nothing does that like a KO/tko ...or sub.
 
big franklin said:
Losing fighters clearly feel some type of way they lose a close fight. However, there's a simple solution to this debacle. The solution?

DONT LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES.
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This is stupid for the obvious reason, that fighters fight as good as they can.
There is constant decision making involved in fighting. Fighters want to win. That's not even arguable. Fighters fight exactly the way they fight because they believe/ are advised that they have the best chance at winning, fighting the way they fight. If they get overly aggressive, their risk reward ratio drives off a cliff. There is such a thing as winning comfortably on points. At the end of the day the truth is that judges get more fights right than they get wrong. By a decent margin. So knowing that every 10th-20th fight or something gets a faulted decision can't reasonably be enough to make a fighter change his approach. As I said, they fight as good as they can. If they just chose to get more aggressive, they would effectively reduce their chance of winning.

big franklin said:
Don't like they decision? Tough luck. YOU failed to convince the judges so YOU lost.
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That's a restricted viewpoint as well. There's always two fighters in a fight. If one guy loses, the other one wins. Even if the argument was valid that one guy didn't do enough to decisively award him the victory, then it still makes no sense to give the other one the victory. Afterall the premise here is that under more or less educated viewers the consensus is that one guy won a fight.
Your argument is that one guy just didn't work enough for it to be decisive. But the premise stands that the other one didn't either. The unfairness goes into both directions. One guy gets robbed of something and the other gets awarded something he never earned. For the fans it's not just exclusively the empathy with the loser that makes them complain. It's also the outrage that someone who shouldn't redeem the fruits of winning a fight gets to do so.

If I get your argument correctly, you're acknowledging that there is such a thing as a 'clear' decision, you just think that in 'close' bouts fighters have to accept the reality of current judging.
But that's an irrational conclusion. If accepting wrongs as 'truths of reality' was a thing, no one would ever complain about anything. That's not the case though. People rightfully complain all the time about shit that needs to change, because if they didn't, nothing would ever change.

The logical solution to scoring close fights isn't scoring them either way. It's to score them as draws.
 
Hey, Dana... Why'd you use Unc as your burner av?
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I would never fight big franklin.

He would never be okay with trading a few shots and then allowing people to break it up so I could save face.

He'd finish me.

 
chinarice said:
Don't leave it to the hands of the judges is literally one of the dumbest sentences ever said in the history of MMA

Imagine GSP losing the decision to Jon Fitch after beating his ass for 5 rounds and your go to herp derp line of "don't leave it in the hands of the judges " like the guy wasn't trying hard to finish the opponent.

Nah, how about this? You suck at judging, you're fired. Plain and simple. You can't do your job correctly then you don't deserve to have it
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There is a huge difference between an ass beating that doesnt ends up on a finish and coasting for the victory in a close fight.
 
Fights should be judged by Sherdog. We know best.
 
Yes of course!
I always wonder why Dominic Reyes just didn't finish Jon Jones. Could have changed his entire career.
Don't even get me started on Nick Diaz not subbing Condit.
Pretty much any decision should be a draw as both fighters didn't put in a proper effort.
 
Yeah ok. Is that easy right TS?

They should just use the final minutes to load up their power bar and finish with a special.

What a dumbass thread. It's clear you don't know shit about fighting.
 
If a fight makes it into the final round, both fighters should KNOW that if the other one isn't subbed or knocked out, a win is NEVER a sure thing.
 
big franklin said:
I'm sick....

Sick and tired of hearing the same drivel every day on Sherdog - 'Jared Gordon won', 'KKF was robbed', 'The judges gifted O'Malley a win', 'The judges shady as hell'. It's always the same shit. People even gaslighting KKF into thinking he was robbed of his full earnings and rank. I'm so sick...

Losing fighters clearly feel some type of way they lose a close fight. However, there's a simple solution to this debacle. The solution?

DONT LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES.

Either dominate the other fighter or secure a finish. Plain n simple. Don't like they decision? Tough luck. YOU failed to convince the judges so YOU lost. Next time make your 'win' more convincing. You ain't getting big franklin's support.
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All sports should be like you suggest. The Dallas Cowboys scoring 10 TDs vs The Jets only getting 4 but not KOing their QB should be a SD for the Jets. Nobody should complain.

You are being lazy. Yes if it is a close fight crying Robbery is annoying. Hendricks vs GSP is a perfect example. Clearly 2nd & 4th were Hendricks, clearly GSP 3rd & 5th with the first being razor thin. But there are times where a fighter, as you said "dominate(s) the other fighter" and the judge still scores it wrong. Not arguably wrong but objectively wrong.

This fight was unanimously scored in the 2nd, 3rd & 5th rounds. The 1st was split 2-1 for France & the 4th was split 2-1 for France as well. While I would have scored the 1st for France it was close and falls under the "could go either way" category. The 4th round was the single most dominant round by either fighter. 29-7 strike differential in total strikes, 27-5 in significant strikes. But perhaps the TDs made the difference you might ask? Kai had the only TD and control time was :11 for Kai and :23 for Albazi. A scramble and back to the feet. 4:26 (88.7% of the round) was on the feet where striking is what needs to be judged. One guy landed more then 5:1 and one judge gave that round to the wrong guy and that decided the fight. Its an unacceptable level of either incompetence or worse corruption.
 
Ozze said:
Yeah ok. Is that easy right TS?

They should just use the final minutes to load up their power bar and finish with a special.

What a dumbass thread. It's clear you don't know shit about fighting.
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If you have less than 25% of your health left and you didn't use your Critical Art, you get no sympathy from me.
 
big franklin said:
I'm sick....

Sick and tired of hearing the same drivel every day on Sherdog - 'Jared Gordon won', 'KKF was robbed', 'The judges gifted O'Malley a win', 'The judges shady as hell'. It's always the same shit. People even gaslighting KKF into thinking he was robbed of his full earnings and rank. I'm so sick...

Losing fighters clearly feel some type of way they lose a close fight. However, there's a simple solution to this debacle. The solution?

DONT LEAVE IT TO THE JUDGES.

Either dominate the other fighter or secure a finish. Plain n simple. Don't like they decision? Tough luck. YOU failed to convince the judges so YOU lost. Next time make your 'win' more convincing. You ain't getting big franklin's support.
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Your opinion sucks. Judges should be educated enough to be competent at their job.
 
Lol clown. Off note, the TUF with Chuck was the closest anyone has ever been to forcing dana to acknowledge the bullshit judges on the spot.
 
Still Holdin said:
Lol clown. Off note, the TUF with Chuck was the closest anyone has ever been to forcing dana to acknowledge the bullshit judges on the spot.
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Can you clarify? Chuck as in Liddell? what TUF season and what fight/situation do you mean?
 
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