Opinion I am deeply concerned. The influence of Marxism and current civil unrest

[AndroidRage]

If you ignore the media and just look at policy. Trump is actually pretty moderate compared to the republican presidents before him

How so? He has implemented trickle down economics like so many in the past have done before him. Other than that he hasn't done anything else that is noteworthy.

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Of course billionaires back establishment dems just like they back establishment Republicans. Trump is no different. He does the bidding of the elites because he is an elite himself. And the GOP does nothing but serve the elite. The Dems aren't much better. Progressives actually DO want to implement those policies. It is possible, we just need to elect the right people to take our country back from the wealthy.

You have the right idea, just looking at the wrong people. The corrupt politicians in office don't care if they're democratic or republican, their eon the same team and have both been corrupted by cronyism, they choose their political party based on marketing purposes and likeliness of election.

The reason they want Trump out is because he isn't "part of the club"
Bush, Biden, Obama, Hillary, Romney.

they're all on the same team and are subjects of corruption. Trump is an outsider.

 

[Rational Poster]

That I understand, at the end is about bringing down the the US. Just like in every Marxist revolution the "useful idiot will be line up against the wall." The goal is not a Marxist revolution, but a end to the US.

Or maybe America really has a long and bloody history with racism both personal and systemic that we've been kind of ignoring and glossing over for decades, if not centuries?

 

[rambosabeast]

Greg Gutfeld touched on the impact of Marxist ideas during a recent monologue. What’s right or wrong isn’t determined by objective truth or firm moral principles; it’s established by who believe they are the most aggrieved. The ultimate result when these ideas go unchecked is the justification and proliferation of widespread destruction and violence.

There is actually no evidence which suggests that people are willing to change their mind when presented with counter-attitudinal, yet truthful information. At least not that I've found in my studies of public opinion or news media. People tend to believe that information which confirms their biases is more reliable, and they view all other information as being unreliable.

 

[MilesAbove]

lol practice stoicism more

Your Diogenes persona is sophomoric.

 

[bobgeese]

you're a moron

you understand exactly 0 about marxism

everything you know about Marx and communism comes from propaganda

we need a dramatic move to the left to turn this country around and there's no denying that

the USA is the worst-off country in ALL of the developed world and our problems are too numerous to count

the US is a corporate fascist militarized state and people like OP and the right have enabled and allowed this to happen

 

[Diogenes of Sinope]

Your Diogenes persona is sophomoric.

its a Sherdog account. Its not that deep.

 

[Wingslaught]

Should be required reading for all Conservatives who are curious about what's really going on in Universities these days.

 

[MilesAbove]

its a Sherdog account. Its not that deep.

uh huh....

 

[xcvbn]

Thoughts on decades of socialism for the rich?

 

[Sakurabaism]

Relax, there will be no Marxist Leninist / Anarcho-syndicalism State. Those far-left chumps won't survive, most of them never fire a single bullet, most of them are just middle-class college graduates who never experienced real labor. The United States is here to stay, there will be no radical changes.

 

[Wingslaught]

It's still a decent look into the mind of a sociopath KGB type guy (for example a Vladimir Putin) and how they tend to view the world (many other leaders have stated that they simply cannot understand how Putin's mind works).

They don't really care one bit about anything except as far as how useful or useless something might be, to their interests. Everything else is bullshit to them, including morals, principles, religion, ideologies, patriotism. They are only concerned about such concepts as far as how much utility there is to them, in order to seize/maintain real-world power and influence. On their own, they hold no value to such people.

Agreed, I've watched all his videos and lectures on youtube, it's both interesting, terrifying and deeply demoralizing (no pun intended), imo. If this subversion is really going on in the West it's been remarkably successful. Just look how many college kids are indoctrinated into these beliefs.

 

[TheComebackKid]

The New World Order, global government, Orwell's 1984, Huxley's Brave New World - whatever you want to call it, that's the final objective here. Order out of Chaos.

Spoiler

 

[Corn Pop Hombre]

hurrrr durrr you're emotional dude hahahahahah OWNED

 

[MilesAbove]

Relax, there will be no Marxist Leninist / Anarcho-syndicalism State. Those far-left chumps won't survive, most of them never fire a single bullet, most of them are just middle-class college graduates who never experienced real labor. The United States is here to stay, there will be no radical changes.

Did ya ever wonder what happened to all the empires before the USA? It often held this mentality prior to it's fall. But you are right, it won't be the false boogeyman who is simultaneously "very very dangerous and bad" but also "very very weak and will be destroyed" by being both "very very calculated and controlling many things" while also being "very much in disarray and without the ability to enact a real movement."

Honestly, do y'all not read history? Everyone is playing the same damn playbook that's been done for SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long.

 

[feedmelies]

There is actually no evidence which suggests that people are willing to change their mind when presented with counter-attitudinal, yet truthful information. At least not that I've found in my studies of public opinion or news media. People tend to believe that information which confirms their biases is more reliable, and they view all other information as being unreliable.

Agreed. Unfortunately.

 

[VivaPopulistRevolution]

The last theory I’ll point out is called critical theory. This one is especially important to be aware of because it expressly supports using violence and suppression towards and of opposing groups. The idea is basically that society is in a constant power struggle and that the oppressed must fight against their oppressors.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

Read more here:

https://quillette.com/2018/01/17/jordan-b-peterson-critical-theory-new-bourgeoisie/

https://quillette.com/2017/11/21/wilfrid-laurier-creep-critical-theory/




As a side note, I do not necessarily represent or endorse Quillette. Nor did I learn about these ideas from them. But I found the articles to be some of the best at explaining these ideas a little further.


These are all things that college students are taught. Worse, however, is that these ideas are embedded in other, larger lessons. The reimagining of history, etc. They continue to be seeded and embedded.

These theories have manifested themselves in other theories and calls to action. Two somewhat intertwined ideas are those of unconscious racism and institutional racism. No longer is racism objective, observable and measurable. Now it’s an invisible boogeyman all people are born with for which we have to continually repent and apologize for. Any discrepancy in success or prowess can only be explained by racism, discrimination and oppression. The best part is, because it’s unconscious, unintentional and systemic (as opposed to individual), no one can successfully prove they aren’t racist. Add on top of it the accepted notion that reality, facts and logic are subjective, and you are literally never going to win. It doesn’t matter what evidence or reason you present, you can never substantially prove you aren’t racist. Keep in mind that facts and data actually don’t support these things. But it doesn’t matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_stereotype


There are some academics out there who have pushed back against this garbage. One is Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker. He’s a liberal, but he defends the ideas of reason and science.



https://www.theguardian.com/science...-interview-inequality-consumption-environment


Others include Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay.



Two years ago, Andrew Sullivan reported on the proliferation of these ideas on college campuses and how they were spilling out into the real world.



https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/we-all-live-on-campus-now.html


Personally, I started to realize all of this was at play in a larger sense when the rioting took off across the country. Many reasonable people supported the idea of protesting, but condemned the destruction, theft and violence. But I started noticing people who lauded those things. I was astonished. When I saw people point out the insanity, they were told that, unless they were black, they cannot comment. They are unable to understand, because they have privilege and power. They have not been oppressed. And violence and destruction is how the oppressed must voice themselves. Additionally, no one can say that destruction and violence is objectively wrong. There is no objective truth. Everyone has their own truth. I was seeing these responses from people I know and from random people on social media.

A recent Wall Street Journal article highlighted some parallels between current events and the first Russian revolution, which set the stage for communism.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-protest-and-the-intelligentsia-11591400422

Access it here:

http://archive.is/e3ig7#selection-2075.5-2075.43


The answer to these things, of course, is complete and widespread transformation of our society and economy. Top down, centrally planned. Light socialism at best, communism at worst.

We’re seeing this with groups like Antifa. If you don’t know who Antifa is, they’re an extremist and violent far left group whose supposed aim is to fight fascism. But, as we’ve learned, there is no objective truth. So they can label whomever they want as racist and fascist. And, again, as we learned, they’re justified in using violence against those people however they see fit.



https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

I think members of Antifa are more widespread than previously thought. Trump just classified them as a terrorist group. There are images and video of them taking place in riots and protests across the county.




https://www.ksat.com/news/local/202...ed-after-looting-a-target-in-austin-fbi-says/


Antifa generally presents as a sad group of young, professionally unsuccessful basement dwellers. However, the tactics and behavior they engage in aren’t limited to that demographic. In New York, two lawyers who graduated from prestigious universities were arrested for throwing Molotov cocktails at police. While they haven’t been explicitly linked to Antifa, the similarities of their ideals and actions is striking.



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/nyregion/molotov-cocktail-lawyers-nyc.html

But to be honest, I don’t think they are the main threat. I think the main threat is that increasingly more average people are starting to believe in and defend applications of these Marxist ideas. They may not perpetrate the violence, but they excuse and defend it.

That’s why wanton destruction and violence is OK. It’s permitted to shoot police in the back of the head, blow them up with IED’s and throw Molotov cocktails at them.

Furthermore, what I find to be most frightening is that, as indicated in the Joe Rogan interview, these ideas reflect a strict, extremist religious fundamentalism. They reject reason and science. There is no logical rebuttal.

That’s why, when questioned about the ramifications of defunding the police, we’re not given an answer. We’re told we have privilege and we just have to accept our homes being broken into.


And that’s why we’re seeing zealotry like this.

So what do you think of the many right wing posters that followed your op, and immediately started conflating economic policy, and social Marxist theory?

That many of the people who claim to agree with you, don't even understand what you just wrote?

People that have no idea that Marx wrote two books. One is a economic book, the other is a book about politics, and power structures.

 

[DOPEFIEND85]

You have the right idea, just looking at the wrong people. The corrupt politicians in office don't care if they're democratic or republican, their eon the same team and have both been corrupted by cronyism, they choose their political party based on marketing purposes and likeliness of election.

The reason they want Trump out is because he isn't "part of the club"
Bush, Biden, Obama, Hillary, Romney.

they're all on the same team and are subjects of corruption. Trump is an outsider.

Trump's in on it and playing one side a dialectic. The fact he hasn't been assassinated and allowed an economically disastrous shutdown over the covid scam is pretty solid proof of this imo.

 

[feedmelies]

Thoughts on decades of socialism for the rich?

Totally against. Like I said, I mostly lean libertarian.

 

[feedmelies]

Relax, there will be no Marxist Leninist / Anarcho-syndicalism State. Those far-left chumps won't survive, most of them never fire a single bullet, most of them are just middle-class college graduates who never experienced real labor. The United States is here to stay, there will be no radical changes.

You'd think that. I did a month ago. But what we're seeing now suggests something different.