I don't mean to nitpick, but I'm not sure why my post was included in that reply. I actually posted that before I saw someone was defending Scientology, and I don't see how anyone could construe the post as being negative.
I am an ex-Scientologist. (LONG read)
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I don't mean to nitpick, but I'm not sure why my post was included in that reply. I actually posted that before I saw someone was defending Scientology, and I don't see how anyone could construe the post as being negative.
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I'm sorry man. I was just trying to get through to him. Which is an extremely hard thing to do. Your post was NOT negative at all, even if you WERE calling him an OSA or PR rep. But you weren't.
And I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus here. I even PM'd Pool after I gave him shit about his comment.
You guys are safe. Your children are safe.
But I worry for our WB friend. One day, he might regret too much.
You know what I mean?
Sorry again, mate.
I wanna know what asshole put this in the dump. Why cant this be seen as a quality post, or at least a quazi post like half the mayberry posts?
Much better than threads about the Jonas Bros and some show on MTV about some bronze statues with bad acccents called "Jersey Shore"
WTF.
Much better than threads about the Jonas Bros and some show on MTV about some bronze statues with bad acccents called "Jersey Shore"
WTF.
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It's ok. You don't have to apologize. It took a lot of balls to express yourself the way you did in your OP.
What I'd really like is for someone doing Scientology and convinced of its tech to come in and offer an opinion. Not someone from OSA or some other PR person, but a regular person. At the same time, I've heard ex-Scienos tell how certain sites are blocked (usually with Net Nanny), so I don't know if my request is even feasible.
Well, I can understand it, because every thread that deals with religion always ends up being a bash-fest where people keep trying (and failing) to one-up each other with (un)witty posts.
I actually like the idea of this thread being in The Dump because only the people who are interested in it will be posting. It may result in lessening the probability that good posters will see it, but it also increases the probability that classless morons won't hijack the thread.
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I understand.
The problem you get when trying to find out about it from a regular member is that, more often than not, they really have no idea what Scientology is.
I will try to say this without using the usual wall of text. It could be a whole book in itself.
L Ron Hubbard was a very intuitive person. That is no fucking joke. If he knew what problem you were trying to fix, he could get you into it right then and there.
He put a lot of life lessons into context (i.e. communication, moral codes, drugs, relationships, pain, education, business, and a million other issues). And when someone is having real trouble with a specific area, they can read something Hubbard said about it. If what they read gives them more knowledge about themselves, then they want more. And a guy like me could sell that person ANYTHING.
From that point you enter the scam. The power of suggestion from LRH and others.
The "secret OT information" is kept secret because if you tell someone that BEFORE they find something they really like, they wont listen. And they WONT pay you the millions it takes to get there. It's just dangling a carrot in your face. If you see that it isn't a carrot, you wont try to eat it.
But perhaps I can perform a miracle here and share something I liked from Hubbard.
Most scientologists won't recognize this because... well frankly, they don't know more than 1 or 2% of his works. Most people couldn't get through a single page of his "research" without spending a day in the dictionary (a normal one and a sci-term dictionary).
During my time with the Sea Org, there was an R&D (research and discovery) series, transcribing his old lectures (during the 50's and 60's). I think the specific volume is R&D lucky #13. And in it, he talks about the subject of love. The volume is huge! And this was like finding a needle in a haystack. Just a paragraph or two. But I had never heard anyone quote it before or since.
Now, I don't know about you but, I have never otherwise been explained a proper definition of "love" before. People just say "it's something you can't define, only feel." I had felt it before reading this, but never defined it for myself. I believe many people have the same issue with the word.
Here's what Hubbard basically said. He said love itself isn't a single emotion. It's a compound emotion. Meaning an emotion you get when combining one or more emotions. Which is why love isn't on his emotional "tone scale".
He said that love is the combination of admiration and sympathy.
Now think about that for a second. Think about how people use the word "love". "I love that band!" That's the admiration. Now think about puppy love like "aww poor baby!"
Now think about every person you've ever been in love with. What did you admire about them? What about the person made you feel sorry for them?
Like this...
"She's so beautiful and smart and funny and she likes everything I like (admiration). But she was abused as a child (sympathy). I respect her so much for pulling through (more admiration). She has a mountain of debt from student loans (more sympathy). But she worked her way through medical school (more admiration), before getting sick (more sympathy), and recovering (admiration). Even though she ruined her credit with medical bills (sympathy), she still stays so positive (admiration)...
I LOVE HER!"
You see?
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Amazing thread willhaven720.
Do you know anything about this place?
Church of Scientology UK - Saint Hill Castle
It's pretty close to where I live and I've always been curious as to what goes on there. I know for a fact that Cruise and John Trevolt-ing visit there every now and then.
Do you know anything about this place?
Church of Scientology UK - Saint Hill Castle
It's pretty close to where I live and I've always been curious as to what goes on there. I know for a fact that Cruise and John Trevolt-ing visit there every now and then.
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Yes. It's one the the big churches from the 60's, just before he started the Sea Org.
He moved around a lot. Always staying one step ahead of the authorities.
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Me thinks it were too much for him here.
You could try a PM. But I think you'll get the same result.
If he's still reading, I want to tell him that he can PM me without having to worry about it being posted or repeated to anyone. That would never happen.
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Some very sad news.
As it turns out, my cousin and his family wont be needing to worry about my uncle's blacklisting with the church.
Yesterday, my uncle Bob took his own life.
He is remembered by his loving son and daughter.
And when I say "loving", I mean they stopped caring about the blacklist some years ago and were in contact with him. In fact, I don't believe his daughter ever did disconnect from him.
It is heartbreaking that they didn't have more time with one another. But I know just how thankful they all are for the time they had. I was a witness to that better time. He loved them so much, it actually made me jealous as a child.
He was more of a Def Leppard kind of man... But in the late 80's, when the New Kids on the Block were big, he bought them all tickets and even sang "hanging tough" before revealing his surprise. He had to wait in line over night to get them.
The only reason I write this here and now, is because I believe he would have wanted you all to know. Not of his death mind you. But that if you're not careful in life, you can regret TOO much. And there was much to regret in his life.
When he took his remaining money from the church, his wife and kids left soon after under threat of expulsion. And though he was able to maintain steady contact with his daughter, he was ostracized by friends and family members. They were all threatened with expulsion, had they chose not to leave him. He was alone for a very long time.
Wanting to respect the choices of his family, he never interfered. He never complained publicly that anyone knows of. But I have to believe that we all have our limits.
I imagine him in a better place right now.
R.I.P. Bob M.
And rnaviaux. I swear on my life, I am not making this up. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, including yourself.
As it turns out, my cousin and his family wont be needing to worry about my uncle's blacklisting with the church.
Yesterday, my uncle Bob took his own life.
He is remembered by his loving son and daughter.
And when I say "loving", I mean they stopped caring about the blacklist some years ago and were in contact with him. In fact, I don't believe his daughter ever did disconnect from him.
It is heartbreaking that they didn't have more time with one another. But I know just how thankful they all are for the time they had. I was a witness to that better time. He loved them so much, it actually made me jealous as a child.
He was more of a Def Leppard kind of man... But in the late 80's, when the New Kids on the Block were big, he bought them all tickets and even sang "hanging tough" before revealing his surprise. He had to wait in line over night to get them.
The only reason I write this here and now, is because I believe he would have wanted you all to know. Not of his death mind you. But that if you're not careful in life, you can regret TOO much. And there was much to regret in his life.
When he took his remaining money from the church, his wife and kids left soon after under threat of expulsion. And though he was able to maintain steady contact with his daughter, he was ostracized by friends and family members. They were all threatened with expulsion, had they chose not to leave him. He was alone for a very long time.
Wanting to respect the choices of his family, he never interfered. He never complained publicly that anyone knows of. But I have to believe that we all have our limits.
I imagine him in a better place right now.
R.I.P. Bob M.
And rnaviaux. I swear on my life, I am not making this up. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, including yourself.
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Wow. That is awful. Just plain fucking awful. My condolances man, that must be really hard to swallow. How anyone can defend the practice of disconnection is beyond me.
I am so glad I live in a CoS-free country. If I ever hear of an outpost here, I will be kicking up a stink in the media from day 1.
I am so glad I live in a CoS-free country. If I ever hear of an outpost here, I will be kicking up a stink in the media from day 1.
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Thank you my friends.
That means a lot to me.
I just hope my cousin doesn't take it too hard. He could put a lot of guilt on himself right now for disconnecting as a kid, along with everyone else. But at least they were talking a little before this happened.
Every moment is a gift.
That means a lot to me.
I just hope my cousin doesn't take it too hard. He could put a lot of guilt on himself right now for disconnecting as a kid, along with everyone else. But at least they were talking a little before this happened.
Every moment is a gift.
Most like rnaviaux has not heard it, it is kept confidential within the church. Only a small percentage of Scientologists have done "OT III" where Xenu etc is discussed, it generally takes tens of thousands of dollars to get to that level.
Enforced disconnection is one of the nastier aspects of CofS. Sorry about your uncle.
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Really sorry to hear about Uncle Bob. So glad his kids defied the disconnection orders. May you all find consolation.
This cult is so fucking evil. Disconnection has damaged tens of thousands of families. We need the government to investigate their tax exemption and yank it.
I came upon this thread via a google alert I have for Mario Majorski AKA Epic Swords Guy. Your story is one of the finest I have read.
It impressed me so much I posted a thread on the Anonymous forum Why We Protest:
Amazing: Willhaven720's story on Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forum - Why We Protest | Activism Forum
I am glad you are sharing your story with sherdoggers. I hope some of them will get into the fight.
The ex-scilons at Ex-Scientologist Message Board would really appreciate hearing your story.
This cult is so fucking evil. Disconnection has damaged tens of thousands of families. We need the government to investigate their tax exemption and yank it.
I came upon this thread via a google alert I have for Mario Majorski AKA Epic Swords Guy. Your story is one of the finest I have read.
It impressed me so much I posted a thread on the Anonymous forum Why We Protest:
Amazing: Willhaven720's story on Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forum - Why We Protest | Activism Forum
I am glad you are sharing your story with sherdoggers. I hope some of them will get into the fight.
The ex-scilons at Ex-Scientologist Message Board would really appreciate hearing your story.
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And so it begins...
Make no mistake about it. This is only the beginning.
They fucked up the wrong family.
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For those asking elsewhere, I am not in the band.
