How would you rank Conor, Nate and Aldo?

[zec1234]

This is an interesting situation for rankings. Both Divisional and P4P.

Conor beats long time champion and becomes one of the top P4P fighters.
Then he wants to get a second belt, but was submitted by a lower ranked late replacement.


We have many examples where lower ranked fighters were given chance to fight top fighter and won:

• T.J. Dillashaw didn't beat anybody in top 10 and had recent loss to Assuncao. And he dethroned Barao.
• even Jon Jones wasn't ranked high when he got shot at champ Rua
• before defeating Fedor, Fabricio Werdum was low in rankings (KO'd by JDS, fought LHW Kyle, boring decision with Antonio Silva)
• Matt Serra was not even top 15 LW before he KO'd GSP.
• Mark Coleman was not even in top 25 before he won PRIDE Grand Prix 2000 and jumped to #1 HW.

Our algorithm have part that makes sure most recent winner is ranked above loser. There are exceptions, but that is almost a rule for most recent win.

However, this time it was low ranked LW winning over top FW. What should be the rule in that case?

Should Conor go down in FW Current Rankings?
If not, that means he is fighting without consequence. Losing has no penalty.
If yes, then how much should he go down in P4P rankings. Any rule that can be applied to everybody?

Should Nate go higher in LW rankings? What should be his reward?


Final question.
If Conor declared that he is going to LW (which he did) and not going back to FW (UFC should strip him of FW belt), and he fights Nate at 155 (because Nate is LW), what would change in your ranking?
We can say that Conor fighting for LW belt is like him being #2 LW. If Nate beats #2, he makes a case to be #2.

 

[zec1234]

Here is how did we get to this point.

1. Before Aldo - McGregor (Nov 2015)
Aldo was a long time FW champion and one of the All Time greats.
He did slow down recently. In the last 4 years he had just 4 fights.
No longer flashy and superior as before (3 decisions from 4 fights), but still wining. On a huge win streak.
That makes him #2 P4P.

Conor was on a huge win streak as well - 15 fights undefeated.
Yes, not all high level opponents, but he just defeated Chad Mendes and has a win over Max Holloway.
Lots of hype and hate. He is #2 FW (this is now the hottest division in UFC).

Nate was defeated by RDA and was without fight for almost a year.
He is in bad relation with UFC, wants more money. Also low in the rankings.

2. After December fights (on 1/1/2016)
Conor KO'd Aldo. One of the fastest KO's. Clear Win.
Nate defeated solid opponent (Michael Johnson) in a very exciting fight.

This is P4P situation on 1/1/2016:


Conor is on a huge win streak, and on the top of the hottest UFC division.
Since some long term champions lost and DJ is in a weakest division, Conor goes to #2 P4P.

Relative inactivity (1 fight per year) was fine for Aldo while he was winning.
After this loss this inactivity is hurting him in the rankings. And he lost all his win streak points.

I included Werdum and Miocic to show how quickly things change on the Current Rankings.


3. After McGregor - Diaz

Conor wanted to be two division UFC champion and Dana obliged.
Unfortunately, RDA was injured and Conor selects Nate as his replacement.
And he wants that to be at 170, not 160 as Nate originally suggested.
Those were all Conors decisions and he has nobody to blame for what happened next.
And what happen was tapout in the second round.

Diaz had a huge jump in his Current Score points, and Conor dropped in the rankings.
They are now #12 and #14.

Aldo dropped further down because now he is more than 2 years away from his last win.
That is problem with not being very active.

This is our current P4P ranking

How would you rank those 3 fighters?

 

[yeguiza]

enough of this teennage drama bullshit

conor has zero chances at 155, we already know that..

he should stick to 145 were he belongs

 

[B0ZZ]

Nate
Conor
Aldo




You

 

[Primitivo]

 

[zec1234]

I will also include here our latest LW and FW rankings.

Feel free to give me yours.

 

[SavageAngel]

Aldo is a better fighter than both of them. If Conor can defend his belt a couple of times, he is second. Nate is third.

 

[pocket]

Rankings don't fight.

 

[JosephTessaro]

Well, we all have our different vies on P4P and where everyone should be ranked outside of being a champion. It is kind of funny how Conor is champ but ranked below Edgar. To me, that makes zero sense. Nate gets a win against Conor outside of the LW division and now he is ranked #2 in the LW division, again making zero sense.

Aldo is where he should be, behind Conor and Frankie in the FW rankings.

As far as P4P, I think the list is all fucked up. Jon Jones took a bit of time off, comes back and fights OSP and is at the top of the P4P. DJ hasn't lost in a long time and is on a huge streak. Aldo loses one fight in 10 years or whatever and gets booted way down.

I would probably have my P4P list something like:

DJ
Jones
Dos Anjos
Cruz
Edgar
Aldo
Conor
Rockhold
Dillishaw
Romero
Souza

The reason I have Aldo over Conor is because of Aldo's win streak before the loss and Conor just proved he cannot go up in weight to WW and beat a LW. And I think Aldo takes Conor in a rematch.

 

[wilKO]

Conor > Aldo > Nate > Conor

I rank them like this. Conor beat Aldo dead in 13 seconds and Diaz rocked McGregor then submitted him inside 10 mins.

 

[zec1234]

Aldo is a better fighter than both of them. If Conor can defend his belt a couple of times, he is second. Nate is third.

What does it means somebody is better fighter and how do you make that decision?
You can say that somebody has better striking skills, but if he loses, what does that mean?
I say for rankings all we can use are actual results in the fights.
Somebody can look scary in the cage or be a beast in the gym, but if he loses in a fight ...

 

[SamboPunch]

 

[UhVaiMorre]

Idk lets wait to see how they do after their losses. I'd wait to see Conor and Aldo, i don't have a reason to compare Nate to featherweights and he's giving the idea he only fights big money fights for now on. I'd rank him somewhere in LW and somewhere in p4p but not ahead of Conor or Aldo. a catchweight against the 145 champion wouldn't put him higher than he was after the MJ fight, at least not highter than Conor or Aldo. Idk why José was thrown down the ranks like that, 1 loss in freaking 10 years and who knows if another streak is about to start ?

 

[Topguntrophey]

Probably with a system that shows who is the better fighter.

 

[Bogeyman]

I usually like your rankings but in this case, it's obvious that there is some kind of flaw in the system when a fight between a featherweight and a lightweight that took place at welterweight suddenly moves the number 3 featherweight to the top of the division ahead of the current champion and Aldo (who beat him already) without even fighting.

Edgar is climbing your rankings through some kind of reverse-butterly effect there.

As far as Diaz goes, it makes sense for him to be at number 3 or 4 maybe. Not above Ferguson or Barbosa IMO but that's just based on a rough guesstimate rather than any kind of algorithm.

 

[zec1234]

Well, we all have our different vies on P4P and where everyone should be ranked outside of being a champion. It is kind of funny how Conor is champ but ranked below Edgar. To me, that makes zero sense. Nate gets a win against Conor outside of the LW division and now he is ranked #2 in the LW division, again making zero sense.

Aldo is where he should be, behind Conor and Frankie in the FW rankings.

As far as P4P, I think the list is all fucked up. Jon Jones took a bit of time off, comes back and fights OSP and is at the top of the P4P. DJ hasn't lost in a long time and is on a huge streak. Aldo loses one fight in 10 years or whatever and gets booted way down.

I would probably have my P4P list something like:

DJ
Jones
Dos Anjos
Cruz
Edgar
Aldo
Conor
Rockhold
Dillishaw
Romero
Souza

The reason I have Aldo over Conor is because of Aldo's win streak before the loss and Conor just proved he cannot go up in weight to WW and beat a LW. And I think Aldo takes Conor in a rematch.

Your P4P ranking is a mixture of All Time ranking (that is why you have Aldo so high) and Current ranking.
P4P ranking that I presented is Current Ranking and since Aldo didn't do anything in the last 1.5 years, he cannot be that high.

P4P rankings is just incorporation of all divisional rankings into one list.
You cannot have fighter A being ranked higher than B on divisional ranking, and then fighter B being ranked higher than A on P4P ranking.

 

[mudrubble]

I'd employ a list. With 3 items on it. Probably numbered.

You?

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

1. Nate Diaz

2. Jose Aldo

3. Conor McTap

 

[aichokyu]

I wouldn't rank mcnugget since he refuses to defend his title.
some people, me included, believe that it was a fluke and that he knows it, and him not defending comforts me in this opinion.
we'll see what happens if he eventually tries to defend.
look at couture liddell or JDS Cain, the fighter who wins the first fight isn't always better, and doesn't always win the rematch and 3rd fight.

 

[pocket]

When did he refuse to defend his title? And people don't like to see rematches.. I would prefer to see edgar vs. mcgreggor ... Aldo has gone to decision a lot.. Brazillians like to kill themselves in training before they make it to their fights... Not sure how much gas he has left.... Aldo got injured two times? When him and conor were scheduled... I think he is a few fights shy of Anderson silva's predicament..