How would Royce do today?

[Skarsgard]

Offense I wouldn't put her near Amanda's level. Punching power yes, brawling maybe, but she never kicked, and her timing and setups of her punches were nowhere near Amanda's, hence Holm looking like Mayweather in round 2 against her once she was confident and her Rondas timing down.

Ronda was thoroughly rocked by the time Holly was able to do more than sit behind counters.
Also, I don't find Amanda's striking impressive at all. She's just another brawler that developed an okay kicking game. Even Amanda's setups were just overwhelming her opponent by seeming menacing.

 

[ninja boot]

It's funny how this thread makes it sound like Royce loses to every single UFC fighter on the roster today yet he beat Sakuraba who is considered a sweetheart and one of the greatest fighters of more modern times. Says a lot about him. About both actually.

The Olympics use the slogan "Stronger, Faster, Higher" for this exact reason, athletes evolve. Especially when the sport was essentially new when they competed.
Both of them are deserving legends.

 

[TheBulge]

The Olympics use the slogan "Stronger, Faster, Higher" for this exact reason, athletes evolve. Especially when the sport was essentially new when they competed.
Both of them are deserving legends.

Except Sakuraba is very out-dated and overrated too but it's not acknowledged.

 

[Intermission]

Very, very poorly

Young Royce Gracie would most likely lose badly to everyone one the roster.

He had no takedowns and no striking.

No takedowns? Quite the contrary, he had takedowns unlike todays buttscooters

 

[Intermission]

Hughes vs. Gracie was all the way back in 2006, which is crazy on it's own, but that was basically an assault.

Royce was past it.

 

[Ares Black]

No takedowns? Quite the contrary, he had takedowns unlike todays buttscooters

Um, no

 

[Hotora86]

It's funny how this thread makes it sound like Royce loses to every single UFC fighter on the roster today yet he beat Sakuraba who is considered a sweetheart and one of the greatest fighters of more modern times. Says a lot about him. About both actually.

*Sigh*
They fought in their primes and Sakuraba won by TKO.

The 2007 rematch was irrelevant, boring, razor close AND cheater Royce was on steroids. Says a lot about him.

- ROYCE GRACIE TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS (UPDATED)

Royce Gracie has tested positive for the anabolic steroid Nandrolone Metabolite. Gracie defeated Kazushi Sakuraba by unanimous decision at the K-1 Dynamite show on June 2nd...

www.mmaweekly.com

 

[TheBulge]

*Sigh*
They fought in their primes and Sakuraba won by TKO.

The 2007 rematch was irrelevant, boring, razor close AND cheater Royce was on steroids. Says a lot about him.

- ROYCE GRACIE TESTS POSITIVE FOR STEROIDS (UPDATED)

Royce Gracie has tested positive for the anabolic steroid Nandrolone Metabolite. Gracie defeated Kazushi Sakuraba by unanimous decision at the K-1 Dynamite show on June 2nd...

www.mmaweekly.com

Saku was also on PEDS like all pride fighters and according to his fanboys always faced roid monsters.

Yet all of a sudden a middle aged pure BJJ fighter in 2007 is too much for him.

He's the second most overrated fighter in MMA history.

 

[Hotora86]

Saku was also on PEDS like all pride fighters and according to his fanboys always faced roid monsters.

Yet all of a sudden a middle aged pure BJJ fighter in 2007 is too much for him.

He's the second most overrated fighter in MMA history.

Saku was 38 years old in 2007. And, unlike Royce, did not pop for roids.

Hate him or not, Saku won fair and square in 2000 and the 2007 rematch result should have been a NC due to Royce's PED use.

I am not a Saku fanboy, I am talking about his 2 fights with Royce specifically. Even if you disregard the PED pop, squeaking a close decision isn't as impressive as a TKO, so Saku is better than Royce whichever way you put it.

Overrated? Maybe. Worse than Royce? Nope.

 

[TheBulge]

Saku was 38 years old in 2007. And, unlike Royce, did not pop for roids.

Hate him or not, Saku won fair and square in 2000 and the 2007 rematch result should have been a NC due to Royce's PED use.

I am not a Saku fanboy, I am talking about his 2 fights with Royce specifically. Even if you disregard the PED pop, squeaking a close decision isn't as impressive as a TKO, so Saku is better than Royce whichever way you put it.

Overrated? Maybe. Worse than Royce? Nope.

And Royce was 40 and with the main point being that he was far more primitive and supposedly one dimensional.

It's not about who was better between these two. Are you slow? It's about how pathetic it is Sakuraba lost against a pure BJJ grapplers in the year 2007 with your only excuse being PED's, something that was legal his entire career and he pretty much participated in.

Again, 2007. That was pretty much the modern era give a year or two, back then GSP and Silva were already becoming GOAT of their weightclasses. You could have given Royce the Brock and Ubereem's PED cocktails combined for a full year...he still would have had 1% chance against Matt Hughes.

That's how overrated Sakuraba is. most likely all of his big wins were fixed with Yakuza bribes.

 

[Hotora86]

And Royce was 40 and with the main point being that he was far more primitive and supposedly one dimensional.

It's not about who was better between these two. Are you slow? It's about how pathetic it is Sakuraba lost against a pure BJJ grapplers in the year 2007 with your only excuse being PED's, something that was legal his entire career and he pretty much participated in.

Again, 2007. That was pretty much the modern era give a year or two, back then GSP and Silva were already becoming GOAT of their weightclasses. You could have given Royce the Brock and Ubereem's PED cocktails combined for a full year...he still would have had 1% chance against Matt Hughes.

That's how overrated Sakuraba is. most likely all of his big wins were fixed with Yakuza bribes.

Am I slow? Are YOU slow?
The thread is about Royce and how he'd do today.
Based on him having to roid to barely UD an over the hill, overrated Saku - Royce would get killed today.

You hate for Saku is irrelevant to this thread and does not interest me in the slightest. Have a nice day.

 

[ninja boot]

Except Sakuraba is very out-dated and overrated too but it's not acknowledged.

Outdated? I suppose fighting until you're in your mid-40's and being retired for a decade will do that.

 

[TheBulge]

Am I slow? Are YOU slow?
The thread is about Royce and how he'd do today.
Based on him having to roid to barely UD an over the hill, overrated Saku - Royce would get killed today.

You hate for Saku is irrelevant to this thread and does not interest me in the slightest. Have a nice day.

You truly are special the way you harp on Sakuraba being so past prime while completely ignoring Royce being older @ 40, washed up very inactive pure grappler with no wrestling or striking skills.

Don't forget a year before that Hughes violently beat Royce down with ease. The fact that an even older more broken down Royce still beat Sakuraba(Again, don't cry about roids while boasting that Saku always beat opponents on roids) shows you how incredibly overrated Sakuraba is.

does not interest me in the slightest.

Yeah no this back and forth about him clearly demonstrates that.

 

[Mask Of Winters]

Come on guys... He'd beat CM Punk.

By split decision. And it would be a robbery.

 

[Mask Of Winters]

I feel like even if she managed to squeak her way out of the Holly fight the aura was gone and her lack of hands was exposed.
It deserves to be mentioned that she also benefitted from her opponents low fight IQ as well. Bethe Correra was the only one that managed to get her to engage in striking and even then got hilariously ko'd.

Almost all of Ronda's opponents were soccer moms in terms of skill level, which is why her "put head down, rush forward and grab opponent who's frozen in fear" routine worked for so long. Then she finally faced someone who actually knew how to strike (not even grappling, just striking) and we all saw the result. And Holm was mediocre at best against everybody else she faced except Bethe.

And even THEN the likes of Liz Carmouche was able to RNC Ronda once, and could've finished her if not for soccer mom level grappling skills. Ronda is the Royce Gracie of WMMA.

 

[Deaths Head]

I know Royce Gracie would get obliterated today due to the evolution of the sport especially standing up but my question is more about the grappling evolution of the sport.

Basically, how well would someone who is a good overall fighter but not known as a bjj expert such as max, Conor , or Dustin , do in a non striking submission grappling event against young royce from ufc 1? Would a Gracie from the early 90/s beat a modern high ranking guy who isn’t known for their bjj but whom is still pretty good? Who wins in a grappling match? I will even allow punches on the ground just no standup striking. Who wins?? I’m curious what you guys think.

Talking pure grappling as the emphasis? Probably not to good , when all things are equal the stronger person usually wins . The Gracie system is obviously effective but things have clearly expanded and evolved greatly,todays practioners are just to knowledgeable, I’d give Rickson a much better chance bc he used physically strength more a.ong with better knowing of what his opponent next move was .

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

He'd get handled easily by the whole roster in his weight division, fair enough though, he is 58

 

[Hotora86]

You truly are special the way you harp on Sakuraba being so past prime while completely ignoring Royce being older @ 40, washed up very inactive pure grappler with no wrestling or striking skills.

Don't forget a year before that Hughes violently beat Royce down with ease. The fact that an even older more broken down Royce still beat Sakuraba(Again, don't cry about roids while boasting that Saku always beat opponents on roids) shows you how incredibly overrated Sakuraba is.



Yeah no this back and forth about him clearly demonstrates that.

LOL I'm still not getting why you're so laser focused on Saku in this thread about Royce! xD

So Saku was overrated, OK, sure, why not.

Can we carry on now? Will you sleep better tonight?

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Royce with a Gi is the most dangerous.

 

[Spiderbite]

Royce was past it.

Compared to Hughes at the time, sure.

But he was in his mid-thirties and still competing at a pretty high level.

This fight, to me, illustrated the gulf between the two.