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How would have Brock vs. Fabricio Werdum gone?

Pancake Sprawl said:
i think Werdum could probably knock him out on the feet. not out cold, but hit him in the face and he closes his eyes and starts break dancing the way he did vs Cain
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That gif was one of the greatest moments in ufc heavyweight history.

The mucking of Brock Lesnar
 
If Werdum can push the pace Brock will get impatient and reckless before eating a big knee or getting tired and submitted. If Brock scores an early takedown abd controls Werdum like he did to Mir, I can see Brock via TKO eventually. It is a match up difficult to pick either as a safe bet.
 
Pretty sure Brock may have pushed Werdum for a few minutes but then make a move that a BJJ expert like Werdum like capitalize on for a submission.

Kinda reminds me of Fedor/Coleman I where Coleman was doing good with ground and pound but the second he got his arm in the wrong place Fedor switched positions and got an easy armbar. That's how I see a Brock/Werdum fight going.
 
If would look just like Masvidal vs Askren but with a flying side kick
 
Would have been a fun match to watch, especially if we had a time machine and their best versions fought.

I also wish frank mir fought Fabricio Werdum, I've been wanting that since pride fc when Werdum was introduced as mirko's grappling instructor.

Brock did well all things considered.
 
Prime brock before his surgery was dangerous. Cain did not fight that guy.

I'd bet on brock.
 
Werdum would've subbed him, he's the best HW ground grappler of all time.
 
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I'm curious of the contingent of folks picking werdum by sub ... how many of yall have wrestled and or (preferably and) done BJJ?

I'm not claiming to be a master of either but my limited experience leads me to believe that folks often underestimate the importance of positional grappling.


The vast majority of successful submissions come from advantageous or at a minimum "even" positions. (Full guard)
It is TOUGH to sub an elite fighter without a dominant position and dominant position vs Brock is not an easy place to get to.

(Mir had a bullshit standup save his ass from a TKO loss and give him an undeserved opportunity to establish a dangerous positi9n that I do not believe he gets without mazagatti and his questionable standup and point deduction).


Brock usually drove that power form tackle of a shot into either side control.or top half guard.

Frank Mir's "Mir lock" on Pete Williams is the only sub I am aware of from bottom half guard. And that was a million years ago and an enormous grappling skill mismatch.


I know Ezekiel choke is POSSIBLE from bottom.mount (mounted)

Olienik has done it... I don't know if he ever got one (mounted) in UFC. I know he got them in UFC ( from top mount or some form of guard)

But again- he is the best Ezekiel guy in MMA history and probably only hit it in UFC against weaker opponents.

Brock was one of the best NCAA wrestlers in HW mma history. And logistically his neck is so thick good luck squeezing that thing to OFF position.


Werdum .... MAYBE if he hurt Brock bad enough... could catch a sub, but it would be far from an easy thing to pull off.

Brock pre diverticulitis is a PROBLEM. His ground and pound was malicious and his standing striking- which gets shit on for his bad defense.... but offensively he dropped and rocked a few dudes. Dropped Randy and fuckin sent Heath Herring across the cage with standing punches.

Kings MMA Rafael Cordero trained werdum would have a striking technique edge... but he was still a flawed striker which showed when he charged chin up at Stipe.



Honestly i think both in prime (werdum that beat Cain vs UFC 100 pre diverticulitis Brock) .... that is a toss up. Either man could win imo standing or on the ground... likely by finish one way or another
 
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jeff7b9 said:
I'm curious of the contingent of folks picking werdum by sub ... how many of yall have wrestled and or (preferably and) done BJJ?

I'm not claiming to be a master of either but my limited experience leads me to believe that folks often underestimate the importance of positional grappling.


The vast majority of successful submissions come from advantageous or at a minimum "even" positions. (Full guard)
It is TOUGH to sub an elite fighter without a dominant position and dominant position vs Brock is not an easy place to get to.

(Mir had a bullshit standup save his ass from a TKO loss and give him an undeserved opportunity to establish a dangerous positi9n that I do not believe he gets without mazagatti and his questionable standup and point deduction).


Brock usually drove that power form tackle of a shot into either side control.or top half guard.

Frank Mir's "Mir lock" on Pete Williams is the only sub I am aware of from bottom half guard. And that was a million years ago and an enormous grappling skill mismatch.


I know Ezekiel choke is POSSIBLE from bottom.mount (mounted)

Olienik has done it... I don't know if he ever got one (mounted) in UFC. I know he got them in UFC ( from top mount or some form of guard)

But again- he is the best Ezekiel guy in MMA history and probably only hit it in UFC against weaker opponents.

Brock was one of the best NCAA wrestlers in HW mma history. And logistically his neck is so thick good luck squeezing that thing to OFF position.


Werdum .... MAYBE if he hurt Brock bad enough... could catch a sub, but it would be far from an easy thing to pull off.

Brock pre diverticulitis is a PROBLEM. His ground and pound was malicious and his standing striking- which gets shit on for his bad defense.... but offensively he dropped and rocked a few dudes. Dropped Randy and fuckin sent Heath Herring across the cage with standing punches.

Kings MMA Rafael Cordero trained werdum would have a striking technique edge... but he was still a flawed striker which showed when he charged chin up at Stipe.



Honestly i think both in prime (werdum that beat Cain vs UFC 100 pre diverticulitis Brock) .... that is a toss up. Either man could win imo standing or on the ground... likely by finish one way or another
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Brock would gas tf out after one round and lose within like a minute if he got his back taken or ended up on bottom. Werdum may have made mental lapses in his striking but Brock literally turned and ran from punches.
 
CainWasAble said:
Brock would gas tf out after one round and lose within like a minute if he got his back taken or ended up on bottom. Werdum may have made mental lapses in his striking but Brock literally turned and ran from punches.
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When did Brock ever get his back taken?


There is a reason I prefaced my post with the importance of people having at least a rudimentary grasp of positional grappling.
 
Here's Johnny! said:
Everyone knows 35 and 37 are very different she's in sports.... nog was still winning fights when he fought Mir. He never won again when he fought Werdum
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Dude nog was fucking washed when he fought mir too. But 35 to 37 is not a big difference at heavyweight. He also beat Dave Herman by armbar (who had never been submitted other than that) right before Werdum subbed him
 
jeff7b9 said:
When did Brock ever get his back taken?


There is a reason I prefaced my post with the importance of people having at least a rudimentary grasp of positional grappling.
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He gave up his back when Cain was prison raping him. If you think Brock would beat Werdum in grappling I don’t even know what to tell you
 
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