How will the UFC product change when UFC no longer has the best fighters?

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LHW and HW are not dead. The UFC isn't focused on signing top prospects.

Shogun is not a top 10 world LHW. Mark Hunt and Andrei Arlovski are not top 10 world HW. But they are top UFC fighters.
 
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Dragon Punch said:
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Dude we have a 6'4" 265 lb 8-1, all wins by KO, gold medalist wrestler at HW and no one even knows who he is. He moves fluidly and has shown fluid boxing with speed and power in his recent fights.

Any other era, everyone would be talking about him endlessly and hyping him up. He's not even worth mentioning right now. That's how fucking stacked HW is. Only thing is he's not in the UFC. Lots of guys like him aren't in the UFC.

We have a 21-0 with 19 finishes world Sambo champion... Remember the world sambo champion in the PRIDE era?? There are tons of guys like this at HW. They're just not in the UFC.
 
They’ll fall back on their line of hot-dog branders to ensure profitability
 
Dragon Punch said:
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He means the overall divisions, in the sport of MMA.

Not in the UFC.

And the man is right, there is plenty of talent out there in the world. There is better talent out there in the world than in the UFCs HW and LHW divisions.
 
Bobby Boulders said:
He means the overall divisions, in the sport of MMA.

Not in the UFC.

And the man is right, there is plenty of talent out there in the world. There is better talent out there in the world than in the UFCs HW and LHW divisions.
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I misread and thought TS meant in the UFC. My bad.
 
You lost me at “marketable ethnicities”
 
I guess it'll take some time for casuals to realize that the UFC doesn't have the best talent(Once they don't have it). For now the UFC can rely on their name recognition and simply claim they have the best talent - even in cases where they don't have it. It's obvious what'll happen if the UFC doesn't replace top tier talent eventually and the casuals catch on that there's better talent elsewhere - the UFC will plummet view wise and eventually go bankrupt. It'll interesting to see if the UFC panics and ponies up and pays top tier talent or if they'll continue to drag out the corpse of Mark Hunt to fight.
 
superpunch said:
We're getting close to it. LHW and HW are not dead. They're better than ever. It just seems that way because the UFC isn't focused on signing top prospects. They just sign random guys to fill out their 50000 cards, old guys with already established names, and guys who are from marketable ethnicities or backgrounds like Irish and Mexican. Or guys where they're trying to expand like the UK a few years ago, China now, Korea a few years ago, etc.

Shogun is not a top 10 world LHW. Mark Hunt and Andrei Arlovski are not top 10 world HW. But they are top UFC fighters. I think we're going to start seeing this happen at lighter weight classes too.

How will the UFC product change as this starts happening?
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Hard to say if any changes will happen, honestly. Most "fans" don't follow anything but the UFC and eat their rankings up, meanwhile there are like 200 unknown Russian fighters who could kick the shit out of most of the UFCs roster.

Until there is something akin to WAMMA that all of the organziations participate in, UFC included, we will never know who is really the best in the world.

WAMMA was such a good idea, and the UFC fucked it up.

Curtis Blaydes is not a top five fighter in the world. I needed to get that out. Aliakbari would skull fuck him, and he is probably not even in the top 30 right now.

UFC rankings, and signings, are mostly laughable.
 
Alxair said:
I guess it'll take some time for casuals to realize that the UFC doesn't have the best talent(Once they don't have it). For now the UFC can rely on their name recognition and simply claim they have the best talent - even in cases where they don't have it. It's obvious what'll happen if the UFC doesn't replace top tier talent eventually and the casuals catch on that there's better talent elsewhere - the UFC will plummet view wise and eventually go bankrupt. It'll interesting to see if the UFC panics and ponies up and pays top tier talent or if they'll continue to drag out the corpse of Mark Hunt to fight.
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Casuals and Lemmings must be very similar.
 
It won't matter how it changes cos we will have the best fighters somewhere else to watch under a different promotion , without them fucking Reebok fight kits as well.so when that time comes no one will give a shit about the ufc
 
The best fighters will always go to the place with the highest pay. Until Bellator and others are dropping million+ paydays for a single fight they will always go to the UFC.
 
On point TS, great thread, concise and excellent.

I'm not sure how this will affect the casuals, but i think they will continue to be UFC shills like back then when SF had many great guys that were supposed to NOT be competitive in UFC (according to them), turns out most of them were very successful.
HaulParris said:
You lost me at “marketable ethnicities”
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Some ethnicities are more marketable than others from a promotional strategic standpoint, so i don't know why are you bitching about it, it's a fact, it's much better for UFC having a interesting prospect like Yair Rodriguez fighting out of Mexico than a prospect fighting out of Russia, Iran or Egypt.. for many reasons.
Bobby Boulders said:
Curtis Blaydes is not a top five fighter in the world. I needed to get that out. Aliakbari would skull fuck him, and he is probably not even in the top 30 right now.
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Both are probably top 25. Maybe Curtis isn't a top 5, but he is certainly a top 10 and in any decent ranking would rightfully be ahead of Aliakbari, rankings aren't about "who would win", they're about fight results, accomplishments, and thus far Curtis has better wins than Aliakbari.
tithas said:
The best fighters will always go to the place with the highest pay. Until Bellator and others are dropping million+ paydays for a single fight they will always go to the UFC.
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Well turns out that these good LHW/HWs outside UFC are receiving more to fight at Russian promotions than they would receive in UFC, and that's why UFC doesn't have a great roster in these weight classes, most top prospects are fighting out there for more money than 12/12k + reebok sponsorship
 
tithas said:
The best fighters will always go to the place with the highest pay. Until Bellator and others are dropping million+ paydays for a single fight they will always go to the UFC.
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What if Floyd Mayweather starts his own MMA promotion?
He’s got the startup capital and he has connections in the business to be successful.
I think he’s going to do it.
 
If UFC really wants guys like Vitaly Minakov and Sergey Pavlovich then they are gonna have to pay up !!! I mean seriously pay up. No more cheap labor trying to fill their cards, they will have to put their hand in their pocket.

Minakov has a very very very expensive contract in Russia, he won't be cheap, if UFC wants him they will have to put the hand in their pockets and also pay out Bellator too.

But UFC just seems to want cheap labor these days to fill out their tons of cards and keep signing women fighters and tiny teenage boy weightclass fighters.
 
If there's all these great HW, why aren't the UFC or even Bellator signing them? We're forced to watch all these shit HW because local promotions are hording all the good HW?
 
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