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How will prime Cro cop vs Miocic would play out?

MartinGibson86 said:
OMG...he wasn't ready for the cage and elbows??? How come it didn't affect him against Eddie Sanchez? LOL..."Prime" Crocop beat barnett and not too much else...seriously.
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Because Sanchez didn't take him down and didn't throw a single elbow...

And cro cop was following Sanchez. Pretty clear cro cop didn't look like he knew how to cut off the cage.

#unprepared
 
LORDTENSAIMMA said:
Because Sanchez didn't take him down and didn't throw a single elbow...

And cro cop was following Sanchez. Pretty clear cro cop didn't look like he knew how to cut off the cage.

#unprepared
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You should ashamed of this post and the excuses you're making for Mirko. Unprepared for elbows huh? In his SECOND UFC fight. And I'm pretty sure it was a high kick that ended that fight. Didn't know how to cut off the cage???Ughh...soon it's gonna be "He would've won, he just wasn't prepared for kicks to the face."
 
MartinGibson86 said:
You should ashamed of this post and the excuses you're making for Mirko. Unprepared for elbows huh? In his SECOND UFC fight. And I'm pretty sure it was a high kick that ended that fight. Didn't know how to cut off the cage???Ughh...soon it's gonna be "He would've won, he just wasn't prepared for kicks to the face."
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You want to talk prime cro cop talk cro cop vs wand 2, vs coleman, vs that Russian he fight before Fedor, vs Alex.. don't bring up ufc. Is very possible a guy with 10 close to 100 fights and over 10 years of fighting wasn't in his prime in ufc.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
You should ashamed of this post and the excuses you're making for Mirko. Unprepared for elbows huh? In his SECOND UFC fight. And I'm pretty sure it was a high kick that ended that fight. Didn't know how to cut off the cage???Ughh...soon it's gonna be "He would've won, he just wasn't prepared for kicks to the face."
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Dear Lord, you are retarded...just stop writing.
 
LORDTENSAIMMA said:
You want to talk prime cro cop talk cro cop vs wand 2, vs coleman, vs that Russian he fight before Fedor, vs Alex.. don't bring up ufc. Is very possible a guy with 10 close to 100 fights and over 10 years of fighting wasn't in his prime in ufc.
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Oh stop it! Why even go to UFC in the first place???
 
LORDTENSAIMMA said:
You want to talk prime cro cop talk cro cop vs wand 2, vs coleman, vs that Russian he fight before Fedor, vs Alex.. don't bring up ufc. Is very possible a guy with 10 close to 100 fights and over 10 years of fighting wasn't in his prime in ufc.
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Less than a year from beating barnett when gonzaga flattened him. What happened in between?
 
I'm arguing with a guy called "crofighter" and a guy who's excuse for Mirko is that he was unprepared for elbows and takedowns. Uggh. Stipe 2nd round GnP stoppage.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
I'm arguing with a guy called "crofighter" and a guy who's excuse for Mirko is that he was unprepared for elbows and takedowns. Uggh. Stipe 2nd round GnP stoppage.
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Lol, no one gives a shit about your pathetic trolling and need for attention...get off internet and find some friends...bye
 
MartinGibson86 said:
In terms of mma, he's way better now. And again with the "unmotivated." I guess there has to be some reason he was losing to MW's. The Mark Hunt who Stipe pounded had recently fought for the title...and Stipe BEAT THE PISS out of him.
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Could you highlight to be exactly how he's improved? the idea that Hunt was just a kickboxer with no grappling ability prior to the UFC is clearly nonsense if you were watching the sport at the time. Indeed even as far back as his debut vs Yoshida he showed decent ability and by the end of his Pride run he could grapple with Fedor effectively. Standing I think its pretty dam obvious the Pride version of Hunt was more mobile and had better cardio, he actually beat Mirko by wearing him down where as vs Stipe he was gassed in less than a round.

Hunt himself has admitted that he went off the rails post Pride, 18 month layoff and very little training for his fights in Dream lead to sloppy performances and giving away finishes very easily.

Stop it with the "younger" "past prime" yada yada...he was less than one calendar year removed from the night he ko'd wand and beat barnett when gonzaga starched him.
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You were quoting figures for the entire UFC runs of those ex Pride fighters. I'v always disagreed with the idea Mirko was past his best physically when he fought Gonzaga, that loss was IMHO a combination of poor adaptation to the different environment and simply a near perfect Gonzaga performance, something that he couldn't keep up every fight just as Randleman couldn't. That loss however clearly did signal the start of serious decline and by the time of his second UFC run Mirko was clearly nowhere close to his best.

Beyond of course guys like Werdum, Overeem and Barnett staying relevant for years afterwards Nog and Fedor didn't drop off instantly either. Nog was I think in decline by the time he fought Sylvia but he still managed to beat him and win a UFC belt where as Fedor stayed undefeated for another 3 years post Pride including beating two ex UFC champs.
 
moreorless87 said:
Could you highlight to be exactly how he's improved? the idea that Hunt was just a kickboxer with no grappling ability prior to the UFC is clearly nonsense if you were watching the sport at the time. Indeed even as far back as his debut vs Yoshida he showed decent ability and by the end of his Pride run he could grapple with Fedor effectively. Standing I think its pretty dam obvious the Pride version of Hunt was more mobile and had better cardio, he actually beat Mirko by wearing him down where as vs Stipe he was gassed in less than a round.

Hunt himself has admitted that he went off the rails post Pride, 18 month layoff and very little training for his fights in Dream lead to sloppy performances and giving away finishes very easily.



You were quoting figures for the entire UFC runs of those ex Pride fighters. I'v always disagreed with the idea Mirko was past his best physically when he fought Gonzaga, that loss was IMHO a combination of poor adaptation to the different environment and simply a near perfect Gonzaga performance, something that he couldn't keep up every fight just as Randleman couldn't. That loss however clearly did signal the start of serious decline and by the time of his second UFC run Mirko was clearly nowhere close to his best.

Beyond of course guys like Werdum, Overeem and Barnett staying relevant for years afterwards Nog and Fedor didn't drop off instantly either. Nog was I think in decline by the time he fought Sylvia but he still managed to beat him and win a UFC belt where as Fedor stayed undefeated for another 3 years post Pride including beating two ex UFC champs.
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This was a good post...not really a whole lot to disagree with. I was always a fan of Mirko anyhow...practically screamed at the tv for him to throw a damn leg kick against mir. He had his moments against jds too.
 
MartinGibson86 said:
This was a good post...not really a whole lot to disagree with. I was always a fan of Mirko anyhow...practically screamed at the tv for him to throw a damn leg kick against mir. He had his moments against jds too.
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Honestly by those last three UFC matches before he was cut I don't think Mirko's heart was in it at all anymore but generally by the time of his second UFC run I think physical decline had ment he had to shift his style.

Mirko at his best really depended on rapid movement and landing devastating counters but as he slowed down he simply couldn't fight that way anymore and had to depend instead on slowly stalking opponents down and looking to wear them down with boxing.

Again for me Gonzaga was a combination of him not adapting well and simply facing a dangerous opponent who gave a great one off performance, similar to Randleman.

As far as Stipe goes my feeling is that in todays sport he benefits from being a solid all rounder, his sub game perhaps hasn't been tested much but he's a pretty good wrestler, a good boxer and has a decent chin. You look at his recent wins and...

Hunt - Obviously had a weakness in terms of cardio and as always takedown defence isn't ever fully dependable against decent wrestling.

Arlovski - Chin questionable and obviously not as fast as he once was.

Werdum - Boxing defence and offensive wrestling both very questionable.

In the Pride era I don't think he would have as many fights where opponents are giving him clear weaknesses to target, Fedor, Crocop, Nog, Sergei, Aleks, Barnett, etc would I think all clearly be tough matches for him.

In that respect I actually think JDS would potentially do better, he does have weaknesses and I think he'd take a a lot of punishment against the striking talent of that era but equally I think his mega chin and his handspeed/power brings something a bit more unique to the table.
 
In retrospect I suspect Mirko wishes he fought Fedor for a second time in Pride as was originally the plan for the second US show. Personally I view that as more of a "lost fight" than I do Fedor not fighting Randy or Brock, the former IMHO would have had little chance and the latter only a chance in that Fedor had started to drop off by that point.
 
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