How to beat Nate Diaz - just a practical point of view

[migeru29]

Sorry I know, yet another thread of the same topic but I want to clarify that I'm not here to think to much about "how to beat him" in a theoretical B.S. perspective. I know there may be good theories and some of them may be right but I want to be pragmatic/practical (what we really know) here and just quickly analyze his actual 5 loses for the last 5 years, and how CM style and physique match the fighters that beat him.

Dong Hyun Kim

Completely different fighter than CM. Many years of Judo experience and great grappling skills that he showed during the Diaz fight and he is taller than Diaz and same reach.

Rory McDonald

See Dong Hyun Kim description but multiple that by 1.5 times better.

Benson Henderson

Similar Physique to CM but completely different style. CM is very far away from having Benson grappling/wrestling skills.

Josh Thomson

Thomson is just a bit taller but not a lot different in physique. Thomson's kick was perfectly landed. Can CM simulate this? Sure why not. But I suspect his legs are somewhat shorter than Thomsons.

RDA

RDA physique seems to be a lot wider (Stronger maybe?) than CM. RDA stand up is traditional Muay Thai using a lot of low cut kicks against Diaz. CM is a talented guy and I wouldn’t doubt that he can use Muay Thai style of fighting if he wants but for some reason I just can picture him doing that just like I can’t picture Machida using Muay Thai. Moreover RDA grappling level is most probably a lot higher than CM.

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So there you guys. Just for the sake of keeping it simple, Conor may be able to emulate Thomson kick a lot easier than all the other fighter styles; in other word since he don’t have the required grappling level and strong Muay Thai background, his best shot would be to looks for the KO.

Thoughts?

 

[riitzni]

Three of those guys are welterweights, and cut from like 190.

Gray Maynard would have been a better suggestion.

 

[own1997]

Didn't you already make this thread?

 

[FaTaL FaTaL]

the diaz bros are flat footed, take out their front leg and you'll win

unfortunately conor cant do that

learn to kick like bendo

 

[McGangsta]

you literally made the same thread before

 

[migeru29]

Three of those guys are welterweights, and cut from like 190.

Gray Maynard would have been a better suggestion.

You missed the point.

 

[BAZ Rutten]

TS!
Maybe you should tweet advice to fighters?
I think they would appreciate it.

 

[EvilManny]

Kim didn't beat Diaz. I don't care what the judges said

 

[migeru29]

you literally made the same thread before

yes but it was pretty late and not many were online.

 

[rjmbrd]

RDA and Benson took Nate down a combined 11 times. Thomson also took him down in the first round.

All three of those guys are world class MMA adapted grapplers. All three are black belts who competed in jiu-jitsu.



Conor McTapsTwice has a background in Irish Wrestling ™

 

[migeru29]

Kim didn't beat Diaz. I don't care what the judges said

well you are clearly out of your mind

 

[EvilManny]

well you are clearly out of your mind

All Kim did in the second round was get a couple take downs and hold on for dear life. Nate lit him up on the feet and from the bottom.

 

[cade187]

Three of those guys are welterweights, and cut from like 190.

Gray Maynard would have been a better suggestion.

I don't know what fight the judges were watching in that one. That should have been a pretty clear Diaz win.

 

[riitzni]

I don't know what fight the judges were watching in that one. That should have been a pretty clear Diaz win.

Point is he walked away with a W with zero TDs or even attempts. Hell, Diaz even attempted a few. TS is listing giant WWs with a lot of wrestling/grappling credentials, stellar ones at that, which Conor is never going to have.

 

[7yrWHITEbelt]

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Sorry I know, yet another thread of the same topic but I want to clarify that I'm not here to think to much about "how to beat him" in a theoretical B.S. perspective. I know there may be good theories and some of them may be right but I want to be pragmatic/practical (what we really know) here and just quickly analyze his actual 5 loses for the last 5 years, and how CM style and physique match the fighters that beat him.

Dong Hyun Kim

Completely different fighter than CM. Many years of Judo experience and great grappling skills that he showed during the Diaz fight and he is taller than Diaz and same reach.

Rory McDonald

See Dong Hyun Kim description but multiple that by 1.5 times better.

Benson Henderson

Similar Physique to CM but completely different style. CM is very far away from having Benson grappling/wrestling skills.

Josh Thomson

Thomson is just a bit taller but not a lot different in physique. Thomson's kick was perfectly landed. Can CM simulate this? Sure why not. But I suspect his legs are somewhat shorter than Thomsons.

RDA

RDA physique seems to be a lot wider (Stronger maybe?) than CM. RDA stand up is traditional Muay Thai using a lot of low cut kicks against Diaz. CM is a talented guy and I wouldn’t doubt that he can use Muay Thai style of fighting if he wants but for some reason I just can picture him doing that just like I can’t picture Machida using Muay Thai. Moreover RDA grappling level is most probably a lot higher than CM.

******

So there you guys. Just for the sake of keeping it simple, Conor may be able to emulate Thomson kick a lot easier than all the other fighter styles; in other word since he don’t have the required grappling level and strong Muay Thai background, his best shot would be to looks for the KO.

Thoughts?

he key to beating a dia is making them chase you while kicking them repeatedly.. Ie Josh Thompson

 

[McGangsta]

Conor isn't like any of those guys tbh, Thomson is a phenonmenal grappler with a great transition game.

Conor is more like Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler, Marius Zaromski, and Gomi than any of those guys. Yea they are all guys that Nick beat, and Nate is gonna do the same to COnor again

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Leg kicks and good takedowns. Nate and Nick both don't block leg kicks and thats always the way to beat them

 

[ArtemV]

Be a great wrestler, with a heavy top game. Optional: have a great leg kick.

So; Khabib, RDA and maybe Pettis.. maybe.

 

[superpunch]

Sorry I know, yet another thread of the same topic but I want to clarify that I'm not here to think to much about "how to beat him" in a theoretical B.S. perspective. I know there may be good theories and some of them may be right but I want to be pragmatic/practical (what we really know) here and just quickly analyze his actual 5 loses for the last 5 years, and how CM style and physique match the fighters that beat him.

Dong Hyun Kim

Completely different fighter than CM. Many years of Judo experience and great grappling skills that he showed during the Diaz fight and he is taller than Diaz and same reach.

Rory McDonald

See Dong Hyun Kim description but multiple that by 1.5 times better.

Benson Henderson

Similar Physique to CM but completely different style. CM is very far away from having Benson grappling/wrestling skills.

Josh Thomson

Thomson is just a bit taller but not a lot different in physique. Thomson's kick was perfectly landed. Can CM simulate this? Sure why not. But I suspect his legs are somewhat shorter than Thomsons.

RDA

RDA physique seems to be a lot wider (Stronger maybe?) than CM. RDA stand up is traditional Muay Thai using a lot of low cut kicks against Diaz. CM is a talented guy and I wouldn’t doubt that he can use Muay Thai style of fighting if he wants but for some reason I just can picture him doing that just like I can’t picture Machida using Muay Thai. Moreover RDA grappling level is most probably a lot higher than CM.

******

So there you guys. Just for the sake of keeping it simple, Conor may be able to emulate Thomson kick a lot easier than all the other fighter styles; in other word since he don’t have the required grappling level and strong Muay Thai background, his best shot would be to looks for the KO.

Thoughts?

Conor used to throw devastating muay thai 'cut kicks' in his pre-UFC fights. However, he has bum knees now. I don't think he throws them just like Anderson doesn't unload on them like he used to. That's probably why he switched to throwing karate kicks.

I also think that his bum knees are why he doesn't have at least a very physical but non-technical kind of wrestling like Palhares does. He has to do everything with technique or he won't be able to walk for a few months.

 

[MDoza]

Great wrestling and great submission defense.
(Attributes that Connor McGregor does not have)

Of those five guys, McGregor is most similar Josh Thompson, so we may see McGregor try to use a similar kick heavy game plan.

However, throwing kicks will create openings for him to be taken down. Josh Thompson had the grappling skills to deal with this issue, but McGregor does not, which will make it more difficult for him to utilize that gameplan.