How to avoid that dangerous overhand right hook?

For me, its not a easy punch to see coming
 
Slipping left and left hooking shovel to crunchy bits or block with arm.
 
Paradigm said:
sorry...not the clearest example but it illustrates your point:

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The easiest example I could think of is Silva vs Sonnen.

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Even Anderson Silva has trouble knowing whether he should slip or sprawl.
 
Paradigm said:
how good are these people youre sparring with? i catch teeps here and there in the gym but that doesnt mean i could catch one from Buakaw.
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Buakaw is amazing. I'm not going to lie.

But when I watch UFC, I don't see much that regular mma guys can't and don't do. We have a lot of pros around here, including a school run by a UFC guy less than 45 minutes away, but it isn't like they flock to it.

By my experience, the main quality that separates someone on the UFC from a pro at the fairgrounds is the ability to recover from head blows, freakish strength and better endurance. I haven't seen much, technically, that I haven't seen from locals, and that includes Silva with his slips and crumby snap kicking.

Every mma gym I've ever seen has guys that wrestled for 8 years or boxed for as long, and who now place in BJJ competition. They look the same against one another. They don't do steroids usually, and fucking huge guys in the 180 pound division struggle benching 300 or squatting 350, so I'm sure they couldn't apply their abilities against UFC fighters easily.

That said, remember what a low level I'm on. I'm 250 pounds and barely bench over my body weight, never wrestled, and squat nothing. Clearly, a pros pride is not going to let someone like me push them, so I usually get to see their best.

I figure if I can handle something, I could handle it better if I were an athlete.
 
SummerStriker said:
Buakaw is amazing. I'm not going to lie.

But when I watch UFC, I don't see much that regular mma guys can't and don't do. We have a lot of pros around here, including a school run by a UFC guy less than 45 minutes away, but it isn't like they flock to it.

By my experience, the main quality that separates someone on the UFC from a pro at the fairgrounds is the ability to recover from head blows, freakish strength and better endurance. I haven't seen much, technically, that I haven't seen from locals, and that includes Silva with his slips and crumby snap kicking.

Every mma gym I've ever seen has guys that wrestled for 8 years or boxed for as long, and who now place in BJJ competition. They look the same against one another. They don't do steroids usually, and fucking huge guys in the 180 pound division struggle benching 300 or squatting 350, so I'm sure they couldn't apply their abilities against UFC fighters easily.

That said, remember what a low level I'm on. I'm 250 pounds and barely bench over my body weight, never wrestled, and squat nothing. Clearly, a pros pride is not going to let someone like me push them, so I usually get to see their best.

I figure if I can handle something, I could handle it better if I were an athlete.
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Next to your claim that angles don't exist in high-level fighting, that's the most ridiculous thing you've ever posted. If you don't see the difference in footwork, range control, timing, strategy and technical abilities (offensive and defensive) between regional promotions and the UFC then you either don't watch nearly enough MMA or have no idea what you're looking at.
 
a guy said:
Next to your claim that angles don't exist in high-level fighting, that's the most ridiculous thing you've ever posted. If you don't see the difference in footwork, range control, timing, strategy and technical abilities (offensive and defensive) between regional promotions and the UFC then you either don't watch nearly enough MMA or have no idea what you're looking at.
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Woo someone's touchy about his hobby. No need to get personal guy.

People at local promotions include collegic wrestlers with TKD black belts who have years of kickboxing and BJJ experiences. That's normal. People take fighting and martial arts very seriously at the local level, and pro fighters put on their pants in the morning with the same cadence as anyone else,

I do not personally think that the cross section of UFC fighting is more than a hair greater than things I've seen in person performed by people I know.
 
SummerStriker said:
Woo someone's touchy about his hobby. No need to get personal guy.

People at local promotions include collegic wrestlers with TKD black belts who have years of kickboxing and BJJ experiences. That's normal. People take fighting and martial arts very seriously at the local level, and pro fighters put on their pants in the morning with the same cadence as anyone else,

I do not personally think that the cross section of UFC fighting is more than a hair greater than things I've seen in person performed by people I know.
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I don't mean to be personal, but I stand by what I said. The differences are there and they are very significant. I don't know what kind of guys you train with, but if they're only a hair less technical than guys in the UFC then your training partners should be crushing everyone at a local level and well on their way to being signed by a major promotion. The true differences between the great and the good can be very subtle, and it's even harder to see the how skilled two great guys are when they're both on the same level competing against each other. If you watch film of a bunch of regional pros then watch film of UFC fighters you should be able to find subtle but extreme differences in what they're doing, when they're doing it and how they're doing it.

Don't just watch the film, study it. Look at all the little details and how they fit together. It's night and day when you actually take the time to observe and analyze the technical intricacies of both the striking and the grappling.
 
Well, I'm no pro and I do enjoy everyone's films studies. I'm sure I'll get better at it.
 
a guy said:
I don't mean to be personal, but I stand by what I said. The differences are there and they are very significant. I don't know what kind of guys you train with, but if they're only a hair less technical than guys in the UFC then your training partners should be crushing everyone at a local level and well on their way to being signed by a major promotion. The true differences between the great and the good can be very subtle, and it's even harder to see the how skilled two great guys are when they're both on the same level competing against each other. If you watch film of a bunch of regional pros then watch film of UFC fighters you should be able to find subtle but extreme differences in what they're doing, when they're doing it and how they're doing it.

Don't just watch the film, study it. Look at all the little details and how they fit together. It's night and day when you actually take the time to observe and analyze the technical intricacies of both the striking and the grappling.
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this is not a shot at SummerStriker but i dont think that most people that watch MMA really understand the nuances of the sport...even people that train.

hell, ive watched every fight in every UFC event (aside from 55-78 and the Fight Night Cards) and every Pride event up to Shockwave 2003 and i miss a lot of the nuances that some of you post in regards to footwork and positioning.

people may think im bullshitting about watching all those fights but its taken me years to try to catch up with all the old events. shit, just watching 11 fights in every UFC event every other week is work in itself (not to mention the current Bellator cards and random Muay Thai fights).

maybe he has some high level pros in his gym...or hes just not watching enough fights with an eye for breaking down techniques.

i know what a 3-4 defense looks like in football but i couldnt tell you the nuances of how to use it against guards pulling in a sweep situation. yeah, that sounds kinda confusing with "guard pulling" and "sweep" in the context of an MMA site but anyone that watches the NFL should know what i mean.
 
Paradigm said:
this is not a shot at SummerStriker but i dont think that most people that watch MMA really understand the nuances of the sport...even people that train.

hell, ive watched every fight in every UFC event (aside from 55-78 and the Fight Night Cards) and every Pride event up to Shockwave 2003 and i miss a lot of the nuances that some of you post in regards to footwork and positioning.

people may think im bullshitting about watching all those fights but its taken me years to try to catch up with all the old events. shit, just watching 11 fights in every UFC event every other week is work in itself (not to mention the current Bellator cards and random Muay Thai fights).

maybe he has some high level pros in his gym...or hes just not watching enough fights with an eye for breaking down techniques.

i know what a 3-4 defense looks like in football but i couldnt tell you the nuances of how to use it against guards pulling in a sweep situation. yeah, that sounds kinda confusing with "guard pulling" and "sweep" in the context of an MMA site but anyone that watches the NFL should know what i mean.
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Damn that's a lot of fights. I've missed a good deal more than that, though I've seen every UFC fight from from this year and am getting better at catching them all.

The problem with trying to understand the nuances of a fight (especially one you're not involved in) is you can't just watch it once. The first time I watch a fight, I get an idea of what each guy was trying to do, which way they moved, which techniques they preferred and so forth. But I have to watch it several times and often in slow motion to actually pick up all the details and advanced strategy. And the higher level the fight is, the more subtle those details become and the faster everything happens. It's the kind of thing where the more you look, the more you see.

And that football analogy really does sound confusing haha.
 
a guy said:
Damn that's a lot of fights. I've missed a good deal more than that, though I've seen every UFC fight from from this year and am getting better at catching them all.

The problem with trying to understand the nuances of a fight (especially one you're not involved in) is you can't just watch it once. The first time I watch a fight, I get an idea of what each guy was trying to do, which way they moved, which techniques they preferred and so forth. But I have to watch it several times and often in slow motion to actually pick up all the details and advanced strategy. And the higher level the fight is, the more subtle those details become and the faster everything happens. It's the kind of thing where the more you look, the more you see.

And that football analogy really does sound confusing haha.
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yeah...I started from the beginning like in 07 or 08. watching UFC 1-10 or so was brutal. some of those 30 minute "superfights" were ridiculous...I'd never make anyone sit through that. at least I'm getting to the "golden age" area of MMA now (Chuck, Fedor, etc).

the problem is that your brain can only store so much. I've had friends who are casuals mention fights to me that I know I've watched, yet I can't recall the details like they have. probably easier to remember certain fights if you've only seen like 10 lol.

once I get caught up and watch all of them at least once, I'm gonna go back and re-watch the important ones like Quarry vs Starnes (j/k). also need to watch TUFs 4-9.

skipped the Pride Bushido events at first because I thought it was all Japanese fighters. then I realized during the next event that I missed the Cro Cop KO of Dos Caras (which someone coincidentally mentioned in a thread yesterday), so I had to go back and rewatch some stuff.

I agree that watching a fight once is not nearly enough. after each live event, I go back and watch the PPV to see from better angles.

thinking of doing a fighter "discography" of sorts one day by splitting off individual fights from an event so i could easily show someone a single fighter's career with consecutive fights. then again, I don't know who I'd be showing it to because its hard enough to find friends to watch current day MMA, much less Vitor Belfort fights from 15 years ago.
 
Frode Falch said:
For me, its not a easy punch to see coming
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No doubt. I'm sure that for some, an axe kick is also hard to see coming.. It doesn't mean it's not easy to see and evade and counter. Just like the overhand/haymaker...
 
Overhand right into the takedown and nobody can find a good gif?
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Paradigm said:
just curious what your google search was...or did you already have it handy?
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Henderson Oyama gif.

He knocked him the fuck out with the punch too. Just thought of this when transition into takedown comes up.
 
i like to just get em on the chin toy know? feel the other guy's power, check hes not a pussy. if im serious i just dodge right and kick him in the nads.
 
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