How soon could Gane be considered the HW GOAT?

Well, reaching UFC HW greatness is never THAT far away because the record amount of HW title fight wins is 6 (Randy) and only five other fighters have won more than 2 UFC HW title fights (Sylvia, Stipe, Cain, Arlovski, Brock)

But seems like Sherdog doesn't really respect the record of any UFC HW champs.
"Cain fought Bigfoot twice and JDS was a ghost the second time, Stipe defeated old guys, Ngannou defeated old Stipe. Everyone sucks"

If Gane wins 4 title fights, there will be debates if he's the best UFC HW.
But many fans will shit on his record, saying he didn't defeat anyone great.
At the moment, I don't think anyone at HW is considered an amazing win by some Sherdog-standards.
 
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Gane's top 10 wins (FightMatrix):
#7 Junior dos Santos
#5 Jairzinho Rozenstruik
#6 Alexander Volkov
#3 Derrick Lewis
#4 Tai Tuivasa

He needs at least more 7 top ten wins and 5 title defenses.
 
It would be cool if he beat Jones (a LHW coming off a 3 years hiatus after two questionable wins), and then beat Stipe, who lost his last fight, hasn't fought for years, is older than most sherdoggers and first and foremost known as looking like Woody Harrelsons lost twin brother.

So yeah, I dunno.

These are still amazing wins. Jones is the LHW GOAT and bulked to be a real HW and Stipe is arguably the HW GOAT or close to Fedor but Fedor is retired and is not relevant to this conversation.
Look, I'm not saying that Gane sucks or anything, but let's reel this shit in a little bit. Fedor was champ for 4 years and went undefeated for like 10 years or something. Gane seems talented, but we're jumping the gun by a large margin with this thread.

Level of competition. Fedor smashed 16 cans and 6 other smaller LHWs and MWs. A total of 22 of his 40 wins are vs cans or small fighters. That is a fact that Gane or Pavlovich and Aspinall etc cannot indulge in. If we subtract those cans we get Fedor with 18 wins or let us be generous only 20 wins that matter and are not a joke. Of those 20 wins some are vs LHWs or not that great HWs.

Brett Rodgers who is far inferior to Tai or Derrick Lewis is part of that win list. Look at Fedor top 13 wins

FEDOR EMELIANENKO

1. Semmy Schilt (great win but his sport is kickboxing and he never beat any good mma fighters but Schilt is the HW Kickboxing GOAT. If Rico Verhoven came over to MMA can crushed and submittrd 7 guys then fought Gane and lost by decision I would still praise Gane for this win)

2. Heath Herring (good win for that time, but Lewis, Tai, Volkov, JDS, etc are superior to Herring)

3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Good win but he is factually 1 dimesional and not as well rounded as fighters now or 10 years ago)

4. Kazuyuki Fujita (lol really he is a can crusher)

5. Mark Coleman (first fight) (1 dimesional a dog would submit him) also weighed like 230lbs

6. Kevin Randleman (ranked LHW) (small as well also 1 dimesional, a plastic bag would submit him)

7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (good win but Nog is 1 dimesional that is a fact)

8. Mirko Filipovic (great win he later developed a well rounded game) he would be a top HW today. When he lost to Nog he was 1 dimesional he was a pure striker then. When he faced Fedor 2 years later he had greatly improved submission defense and clinch fighting. 2 years after the Fedor loss he had developed good grappling.

9. Mark Hunt (good win but 1 dimesional fighter)

10. Matt Lindland (ranked MW). A Middleweight

11. Tim Sylvia (end if his career and out of shape)

12. Andrei Arlovski (This and Cro Cop are Fedors best wins in my opinion) I realize Nog beat Cro Cop but it was a Cro Cop who only knew kickboxing and had poor grappling.

13. Brett Rogers (1 dimesional only ever beat Arlovski)


How many does Gane have now? Fedor is HW GOAT; he had an undefeated run in which he had 11 ranked wins, beat 5 former or future UFC champs, had 3 PRIDE title defenses and 2 WAMMA defenses (I don’t weight WAMMA defenses as highly, of course).
These are the types of metrics that Gane needs to surpass. And obviously he’s nowhere close to that.

Stipe has 8 ranked wins, 3 defenses his first reign and a 2nd reign with 1 defense.

With 4x or 5 title defenses Gane or Pavlovich surpass Fedor. Gane has 5 top 10 HW wins that so far belong to largelly better fighters than most of the top 11 ranked Wins Fedor got.

Can you provide the list of the top 11 ranked fighters Fedor beat?

If Gane beats Jones and then gets 4 title defenses he will have 10 top HW wins. To defend the belt 4x would likely take 2.5 years so say January 2026 he [Gane) has fought for 8 years almost and only had 1 loss via a razor thin decision loss to Ngannou. Then let us say he avenges the Ngannou loss if say Ngannou boxes this year takes off next year then returns.

Gane would only have 17 wins by this time [mid 2026) but he would have 11 top HW ranked wins tied with Fedor but the level of competition and well roundness would be far higher for Gane. Keep in mind if Gane defends the belt 4x or 5x it would involve beating killers like Pavlovich, Blaydes, Aspinall and surely Spivak and likely some new up and comer.

Now let us think about Pavlovich who says he has a fight for April but wont say who. It is likely Blaydes let us say Pavlovich wins then beats Gane then defends the belt 4x.

Pavlovich has 3 top 10 HW ranked wins now. If he beats Blaydes and beats Gane he will have 5. If he defends 4x he would have 9 top 10 HW ranked wins. Let us say Pavlovich enters 2026 as a 4x defending champion. By this time he would have 23 wins with 1 loss and only 1 loss in his past 11 years of fighting. Of Pavlovichs current 17 wins only 2 are cans and only 1 is a LHW.... Think about that. He has largelly almost entirely fought only HWs

4 of the HWs Pavlovich beat before the UFC were either kickboxing champions or Combat Sambo champions and all of them had positive winning records and 2/4 were over 6 foot.

You have to weigh that.
 
Beat Jones then defend more than 3 times, which is technically the record.
UFC HW GOAT, I mean.
 
Except Cain, Overeem and JDS were all (+/- 1 year) the same age Ngannou was when Gane lost to him (35-36).
They were far from old by HW standard, and Reem and JDS had some very good wins either after fighting Ngannou or very shortly before (Lewis, Tuivasa, Pavlovich, Sakai, Harris).
sorry sir nothing to do with age more to do with MILES...
 
Beat Jones then defend more than 3 times, which is technically the record.
UFC HW GOAT, I mean.
record is 4 title defenses by Stipe (3 + 1 in two runs).
 
First.. He actually has to win the belt. Then 4 defences would put him on par with Stipe, imo (4 total defences). Because the names on Stipe’s resume are going to be bigger than Gane’s, imo (Hunto, Arlovski, Werdum, Overeem, JDS, Ngannou, and DC).

Gane probably won’t have a resume like that (even if people want to say Stipe’s wins were all past prime.. He still beat those guys).

5 defences in a row would be enough for me. He would be the HW GOAT. I wish him well.
 
lmao @ you people

"After he beats Jones and Stipe and has 3-4 more defenses"

So after he puts together the greatest resume in UFC history you'll consider him GOAT? You don't say?

Quality of competition matters a lot, and I don't see how his current HW division could give him that quality of competition to surpass Fedor.
 
The way the UFC goes, after pretty much every fight a champion wins they talk aboutthem being GOAT. Its tiresome. Not everyone needs to be a goat.
 
lmao @ you people

"After he beats Jones and Stipe and has 3-4 more defenses"

So after he puts together the greatest resume in UFC history you'll consider him GOAT? You don't say?

Quality of competition matters a lot, and I don't see how his current HW division could give him that quality of competition to surpass Fedor.

Because Fedor got KTFO by a MW! And got wrecked by 2 of the most well rounded fighters he ever fought (Werdum and Big Foot) and look at Fedors top 11 ranked Wins.... seriously most are not nor would be top fighters 10 years ago or in todays era
 
That surprised me, I had to check for myself. He has 5, which are:
JDS #7
Rozenstruik #4
Volkov #5
Lewis #2
Tai Tuivasa #3

Geez. I gotta be honest, I don’t think too highly of the JDS, Lewis, and Tai wins. But I suppose if Gane wins a title and defends it 4 times or so, he’d have an argument for passing Stipe.

The quality of HW's right now is surprisingly low. Compare that list to about 10-15 years ago:

Brock Lesnar
Shane Carwin
Big Nog
JDS
Alistair
Cain
Nelson
Barnett
DC
Stipe
Mir
Bigfoot
Kongo

All in various points of their careers, but, good grief. Not everyone walked out with great records but the skill levels were much higher and so was the athleticism.
 
Because Fedor got KTFO by a MW! And got wrecked by 2 of the most well rounded fighters he ever fought (Werdum and Big Foot) and look at Fedors top 11 ranked Wins.... seriously most are not nor would be top fighters 10 years ago or in todays era
New fans:
  • Semmy Schilt, arguably the most accomplished kickboxer in kickboxing history who was also a black belt in judo, is a one dimensional can that should never have been ranked in MMA
Also new fans:
  • Ciryl Gane, a French kickboxer with no wrestling background and a blue belt in BJJ, is the new breed of HW and would demolish all those who came before him
 
It would be cool if he beat Jones (a LHW coming off a 3 years hiatus after two questionable wins), and then beat Stipe, who lost his last fight, hasn't fought for years, is older than most sherdoggers and first and foremost known as looking like Woody Harrelsons lost twin brother.

So yeah, I dunno.
Cool, so if Jones wins he's the undisputed goat of MMA and if he loses then he's out of prime with a questionable resume. I can always count on my sherbros for A-level fight analysis
 
I'm a huge Gane fan. His striking is just amazing, he turned Ngannou into a whole wrestler, he ko'd Tuivasa, Lewis, JDS, etc.. He is just great already.

The fact that he has only been in MMA like for 4 years and he is at the top already is just amazing!!!

I feel he could be the UFC HW GOAT he got all the potential, if he beats Jones and then Miocic, he is going to be the HW GOAT already in my eyes.

This man's only loss is against Ngannou and from what I remember it was a close desicion that could have gone either way, I remember he took Ngannou to school at stand-up and turned him into a whole wrestler, he received no damage tho, so he barely lost by LnP?

Other than that he was a win over: Tuivasa, Lewis, JDS, Volkov, Jairzinho, etc.. If he adds Jones and Miocic to that list, ohhh boy, there could be an argument.

So what do you guys think?

Like a decade dude.

Guy hasn't even won the title yet let alone defended it.
 
New fans:
  • Semmy Schilt, arguably the most accomplished kickboxer in kickboxing history who was also a black belt in judo, is a one dimensional can that should never have been ranked in MMA
Also new fans:
  • Ciryl Gane, a French kickboxer with no wrestling background and a blue belt in BJJ, is the new breed of HW and would demolish all those who came before him

I am not a new fan. I know Schilt is the best HW kickboxer ever. He beat the current dominate champ. I also am aware of his karate background and Judo but he factually was not good in MMA even being submitted by cans.
 
Everyone seems to really need a goat these days.
 
Because Fedor got KTFO by a MW! And got wrecked by 2 of the most well rounded fighters he ever fought (Werdum and Big Foot) and look at Fedors top 11 ranked Wins.... seriously most are not nor would be top fighters 10 years ago or in todays era

You people and your revisionist fucking history.

You mean if you had a time machine and brought them to today with the same skill set and knowledge? GTFO with that shit. I can argue that if fedor was born 15 years later he would be the heavyweight version of Khabib and Islam. Hell, he already was. But more well rounded.

Fedor got KTFO by a JUICED TO THE FUCKING GILLS DAN HENDERSON. Do you wonder why Hendo was H-bombing people left and right in his late 30's and even early 40's until TRT got banned and then he ended his career 3-7? Do you forget that Fabricio tested positive for FUCKING TREN?!?! and Bigfoot tested positive for elevated test? Not during those fights, mind you -- I'm just saying, these guys were known PED cheats.

Fedor beat everyone that got put in front of him for over a decade. 0 losses against guys like Mirko, Big Nog, Fujita, Randleman, Coleman, Hunt, Arlovski...and most of these guys were juiced to the gills as well.

By the time he lost his first fight he had been a professional combat athlete for about 13 years. Of his 40 career wins 31 of them are finishes. He was the best HW in the world when the best HW's were NOT in the UFC.

Stop era shaming.
 

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