How soon could Gane be considered the HW GOAT?

[oscerthegrouch]

I don't think he will, because he lost to Ngannou.

Even if Gane beats Jones, Stipe, Blaydes, Sergei, Aspinall, which is far from guarantee,

Ngannou would have a win over Cain, Stipe, Blaydes x 2, Gane himself, Overeem, JDS, Rozenstruik, and Arlovski.

So it will be very tough to put him over Ngannou.

And then he'd get compared to Fedor overall and Stipe in UFC.

Sorry, I don't think he will ever be. But he's probably the most gifted heavyweight of all time.

Cain and reem and JDS are by far not countable lol.................. unless we going give bader credit for wiping on fedor in his last fight.. lol

 

[Ghostoftheville]

Considering his competition? No time soon. The best name on his resume currently is a toss up between a shop worn JDS in his last ufc bout or Derrick Lewis for the interim belt.

Most people getting called the goat of their division has taken out former champs and defended the title numerous times.

 

[spinup]

Cain and reem and JDS are by far not countable lol.................. unless we going give bader credit for wiping on fedor in his last fight.. lol

Except Cain, Overeem and JDS were all (+/- 1 year) the same age Ngannou was when Gane lost to him (35-36).
They were far from old by HW standard, and Reem and JDS had some very good wins either after fighting Ngannou or very shortly before (Lewis, Tuivasa, Pavlovich, Sakai, Harris).

 

[Robbocop]

I told myself in my heart of hearts, if Stipe won his fourth consecutive title defence I would consider putting him on par with Fedor for HW GOAT. But indeed he went on to get KTFO by Ngannou.

For Gane, it's almost impossible to fathom what series of events could lead to consider him the GOAT. If he first wins the HW belt, and then defends four consecutive times, he could be in the conversation. That requires him winning at least 5 more title fights in a row, a herculean ask especially given the slow pace at which many modern MMA fighters fight, especially if they are holding onto the belt. Gane also lost to Ngannou just last year. So I really don't see why one would even pose the question.

 

[BFoe]

I think the point he’s trying to make is at hw you can go from nothing to goat very quickly under the right circumstances, beating jones first will be a monumentally hard act to follow and imo it would eclipse any one win any other person in this conversation has

But why would it eclipse any other win? I get that it’s Jones, and that’s a huge deal. But Jones has never fought in that weight class ever, and is probably not in prime. We have no idea what a win over Jones at HW means.

 

[mjfan23]

Win two dozen fights in a row. And in entertaining fashion.

KOing Jones will fast track him to GOATness

 

[Lee_]

Gane will need a string of impressive wins against top competition to be considered for the HW GOAT. Those he has fought so far only qualify minimally.

Aspinall is the big question at HW- if he can come back from the leg, he could be the first well-rounded guy at HW. I doubt Gane could beat him as Aspinall would win on the ground.

 

[spardeous]

I'm a huge Gane fan. His striking is just amazing, he turned Ngannou into a whole wrestler, he ko'd Tuivasa, Lewis, JDS, etc.. He is just great already.

The fact that he has only been in MMA like for 4 years and he is at the top already is just amazing!!!

I feel he could be the UFC HW GOAT he got all the potential, if he beats Jones and then Miocic, he is going to be the HW GOAT already in my eyes.

This man's only loss is against Ngannou and from what I remember it was a close desicion that could have gone either way, I remember he took Ngannou to school at stand-up and turned him into a whole wrestler, he received no damage tho, so he barely lost by LnP?

Other than that he was a win over: Tuivasa, Lewis, JDS, Volkov, Jairzinho, etc.. If he adds Jones and Miocic to that list, ohhh boy, there could be an argument.

So what do you guys think?

It's gonna be so fucking stupid when it happens (we all know Gane is going to maul Jones). And the number of fools who will come rushing in to say Gane is the HW GOAT merely because he beat Jones will be vast.

But it will further demonstrate how the UFC hype machine molds and shapes fans' perceptions of who is great. Which in turn, is another argument for why Fedor is the GOAT. We seen the exact same thing with Lesnar when he was champ (remember big scary 12-2 Shane Carwin? Wow what a storied career that was!)

UFC fans when they see a 5-3 champ:

 

[B-Man]

Stipe and Randy are on five title wins each if I remember right, so he'd need to beat Jones then reel off five defences. I don't fancy his chances.

 

[Bojka]

I don't think he will, because he lost to Ngannou.

Even if Gane beats Jones, Stipe, Blaydes, Sergei, Aspinall, which is far from guarantee,

Ngannou would have a win over Cain, Stipe, Blaydes x 2, Gane himself, Overeem, JDS, Rozenstruik, and Arlovski.

So it will be very tough to put him over Ngannou.

And then he'd get compared to Fedor overall and Stipe in UFC.

Sorry, I don't think he will ever be. But he's probably the most gifted heavyweight of all time.

I think if Gane improves his wrestling and becomes competent that way people will think that the new and improved version would beat Ngannou. It was a close fight even with his deficient wrestling.

Imagine if Division 1 Ngannou never got to rematch Stipe. People would've thought the same thing.

He has also only last once to Ngannou's 3 times.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

I don't think he will, because he lost to Ngannou.

Even if Gane beats Jones, Stipe, Blaydes, Sergei, Aspinall, which is far from guarantee,

Ngannou would have a win over Cain, Stipe, Blaydes x 2, Gane himself, Overeem, JDS, Rozenstruik, and Arlovski.

So it will be very tough to put him over Ngannou.

And then he'd get compared to Fedor overall and Stipe in UFC.

Sorry, I don't think he will ever be. But he's probably the most gifted heavyweight of all time.

A win over broken Cain means zilch

Stipe > Ngannou

 

[El Fernas]

Can you stop crowning a new GOAT every other weekend?....needs to win it, dominate for 3-4 title defenses and then we can talk, he lost to Ngannou to begin with.

 

[Tweak896]

If he beats Stipe's defense record he'll be considered best of UFC HW. However it's going to be hard to top previous HW resumes because he has no former champs that he can beat at HW.

 

[cmw43]

It would be cool if he beat Jones (a LHW coming off a 3 years hiatus after two questionable wins), and then beat Stipe, who lost his last fight, hasn't fought for years, is older than most sherdoggers and first and foremost known as looking like Woody Harrelsons lost twin brother.

So yeah, I dunno.

And I don't put much stock into his win over shot to pieces JDS.

He could be the real deal but he hasn't got much decent competition to test himself against these days.

I think healthy Aspinall gives him serious problems with his grappling.

 

[cmw43]

But Ngannou got so much hyped when he ko'd Miocic in the rematch even tho Miocic was old already he got ktfo by a former LHW before that

Stipe himself made his name beating old JDS, Hunt, Overeem, Arlovski and Werdum.

I'd argue all those guys were at their best about five years before they fought Stipe. Except maybe Werdum who was on a great run at 38 years old but he dropped off fast after.

 

[StonedLemur]

Imo it won’t take long after he finishes jones, that’ll give his resume quite the boost.people will try to hold a razor close decision loss against him, but ufc fans forget quickly, but I’ll linger for a bit longer

after that maybe 3 or 4 more defenses

Skills wise I already believe he’s the best he just has to back it with championship wins

If he adds some good TDD shit could get real sir.

 

[cmw43]

If he beats Stipe's defense record he'll be considered best of UFC HW. However it's going to be hard to top previous HW resumes because he has no former champs that he can beat at HW.

I think strength of schedule should also count for something. JDS went 9-0 in UFC on his way to the belt, I don't think any other UFC HW has come near a streak that long.

 

[StonedLemur]

Dude. He’s about 9-10 ranked wins short, and 3-5 title defenses short. I like Gane too, but he’s literally nowhere near it. Has a looooong way to go.

Miles even sir.

 

[DragoonC]

The term GOAT is so overused. He is starting his career he isn't 5+ years after it. To be fair UFC HW dig is very weak, even more so with Francis having left.

 

[Tweak896]

I think strength of schedule should also count for something. JDS went 9-0 in UFC on his way to the belt, I don't think any other UFC HW has come near a streak that long.

Gane is just going to have to do his best to make it look easy. I think having a decent streak like you said would help him stand out despite not really having names.