How soon could Gane be considered the HW GOAT?

[Versez]

UFC Goat? maybe if he beats Jones and defend a few times

we know what happenned with fedor 2 nights ago...

 

[Davidjacksonjones]

we know what happenned with fedor 2 nights ago...

That was grandpa fedor

 

[Katsumi Yamada]

If he wins his next 20 fights in a row he'll be in the conversation

 

[spinup]

This man's only loss is against Ngannou and from what I remember it was a close desicion that could have gone either way, I remember he took Ngannou to school at stand-up and turned him into a whole wrestler, he received no damage tho, so he barely lost by LnP?

Well, first he lost, so there is that.
And then, there were 2 rounds standing up, where 1 was razor close (some gave it to Ngannou).
And sure he received no damage, but he didn't deliver damage either, so I would not call that a masterclass. Ngannou did way more damage whe he lost 50-44 to Stipe.
And adding to that, Ngannou was quite impaired by the knee injury.

To be eligible to UFC HW GOAT, Gane needs to beat Jones and defend 2 or 3 times at least (beating guys like Blaydes, Aspinall, Pavlovich).

 

[Dionysian]

Guys marketed as HW GOAT by UFC since Fedor lost (listed in order)

1. Brock
2. Cain
3. JDS
4. Cain again
5. Werdum
6. Stipe
7. DC
8. Stipe again
9. Francis

I think I see a pattern. I'd say Cyril is currently one win away from becoming the HW GOAT. If he defends twice and sells PPVs well he has a case for overall GOAT. Ideally he can accomplish that with fighting a grand total of 0 grapplers in his lifetime.

 

[Canadian Kicker]

I guess the real question is are we talking:

UFC Heavyweight GOAT: 2 years if active
MMA Heavyweight GOAT: 5 years at least if active

 

[RockyLockridge]

How many does Gane have now? Fedor is HW GOAT; he had an undefeated run in which he had 11 ranked wins, beat 5 former or future UFC champs, had 3 PRIDE title defenses and 2 WAMMA defenses (I don’t weight WAMMA defenses as highly, of course).
These are the types of metrics that Gane needs to surpass. And obviously he’s nowhere close to that.

Stipe has 8 ranked wins, 3 defenses his first reign and a 2nd reign with 1 defense.

He’s close to stipe but not to fedor

 

[Geniusss]

If he beats LHW Jones, and Stipe, they'll just be washed up names to add alongside JDS......

So who is the UFC HW GOAT for you?

Because Miocic won the title against againat a washed up werdum then defended it against washed up Overeem ans JDS

His best title defense was against Ngannou and then he lost the title to a former 40yo LHW

 

[snaportap21]

Yeah UFC HW GOAT. I'm not counting Fedor fot sure



Stipe is still considered the UFC HW GOAT but he got the most title defenses in the UFC HW division which is 3, that's not that much, I think Gane can overpass it.

And Ngannou has 3 losses, 2 in the UFC.
Gane has only 1 loss but it wasn't even that bad, I think that Ngannou's win wasn't even impressive tbh and that was his only title defense

Francis won with 1 working knee. How’s that not
impressive? Gane did zero damage standing to a man with no mobility or stability. For Francis to adjust mid fight and win, I can’t see how that’s not impressive.

 

[fzoid4454]

I'm a huge Gane fan. His striking is just amazing, he turned Ngannou into a whole wrestler, he ko'd Tuivasa, Lewis, JDS, etc.. He is just great already.

The fact that he has only been in MMA like for 4 years and he is at the top already is just amazing!!!

I feel he could be the UFC HW GOAT he got all the potential, if he beats Jones and then Miocic, he is going to be the HW GOAT already in my eyes.

This man's only loss is against Ngannou and from what I remember it was a close desicion that could have gone either way, I remember he took Ngannou to school at stand-up and turned him into a whole wrestler, he received no damage tho, so he barely lost by LnP?

Other than that he was a win over: Tuivasa, Lewis, JDS, Volkov, Jairzinho, etc.. If he adds Jones and Miocic to that list, ohhh boy, there could be an argument.

So what do you guys think?

Your memory is selective. Ngannou dominated and controlled him with wrestling. It wasn't close, and it could NOT have gone either way.

How about we wait until he actually wins a title fight before crowning him the greatest ever of all time everywhere?

 

[BFoe]

He’s close to stipe but not to fedor

That surprised me, I had to check for myself. He has 5, which are:
JDS #7
Rozenstruik #4
Volkov #5
Lewis #2
Tai Tuivasa #3

Geez. I gotta be honest, I don’t think too highly of the JDS, Lewis, and Tai wins. But I suppose if Gane wins a title and defends it 4 times or so, he’d have an argument for passing Stipe.

 

[RockyLockridge]

That surprised me, I had to check for myself. He has 5, which are:
JDS #7
Rozenstruik #4
Volkov #5
Lewis #2
Tai Tuivasa #3

Geez. I gotta be honest, I don’t think too highly of the JDS, Lewis, and Tai wins. But I suppose if Gane wins a title and defends it 4 times or so, he’d have an argument for passing Stipe.

We don’t think highly of tai and Lewis sure but did we think highly of overreem, mark hunt and jds when stipe did it?

And as far as not thinking much of them goes for Gane, he didn’t let those fights become to competitive he finished all three pretty easy. So it’s not like these folks you don’t think much of drag him into deep water

 

[BFoe]

We don’t think highly of tai and Lewis sure but did we think highly of overreem, mark hunt and jds when stipe did it?

And as far as not thinking much of them goes for Gane, he didn’t let those fights become to competitive he finished all three pretty easy. So it’s not like these folks you don’t think much of drag him into deep water

No, I didn’t, that’s true.

 

[Taric]

Fedor has 13 ranked wins and, we'll call it, 11 championships (subtracting Japanese fighters, Zulu, HMC, & Lindland)
Stipe has 9 ranked wins and 6 championships
Gane has 5 ranked wins and 0 championships

Chill the fuck out. Gane has done absolutely nothing lol

 

[RockyLockridge]

Fedor has 13 ranked wins and, we'll call it, 11 championships (subtracting Japanese fighters, Zulu, HMC, & Lindland)
Stipe has 9 ranked wins and 6 championships
Gane has 5 ranked wins and 0 championships

Chill the fuck out. Gane has done absolutely nothing lol

I think the point he’s trying to make is at hw you can go from nothing to goat very quickly under the right circumstances, beating jones first will be a monumentally hard act to follow and imo it would eclipse any one win any other person in this conversation has

 

[Taric]

I think the point he’s trying to make is at hw you can go from nothing to goat very quickly under the right circumstances

Considering Fedor and Stipe were both #1 for long stretches, you really can't lol

The only weightclass where that exists is LW because nobody has more than 4 titles in MMA history.

 

[aerius]

When everyone starts comparing every single HW champ to Gane. That's how you know.

Example. There was a time when every WW was compared to Matt Hughes, even GSP. Hughes was the top guy and every champion, contender, or prospect was compared to him. Can this guy beat Hughes, is he GOATer than Hughes, etc. Then sometime during GSP's title run it changed, and every WW was compared to GSP. That's when he became the GOAT.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Considering Fedor and Stipe were both #1 for long stretches, you really can't lol

The only weightclass where that exists is LW because nobody has more than 4 titles in MMA history.

Gane is maybe 4 high quality wins away from passing stipe

 

[Taric]

Gane is maybe 4 high quality wins away from passing stipe

Stipe has 4 more ranked wins and 6 more titles... I don't think so Tim.

If Gane gets 7 titles he will have surpassed Stipe... he's currently at zero.

 

[capnlarge]

well, he's already behind the 8-ball having lost to the previous champ with seemingly no way to avenge that loss