How often does a fighter get KOed/badly hurt during a takedown shoot?

[CroCopsLHK]

I'm talking knees and uppercuts. I remember JDS training an uppercut as TDD on TUF. But in fact I never saw him use it live or anybody. Except Derrick Lewis against Blaydes. It was a very tentative fight. When Blaydes shot in from afar in the 2nd he got KOed. Lewis did little offense and waited

As for knees, you could say maybe Barboza vs Dairush and Moraes vs Aljo.

Still few and far between from my memory. They don't seem like proven TDD. It seems like a grappler shooting in almost has a 1/100 chance of getting caught. The window of success is but a millisecond

 

[jitzmonkey]

Here's an often overlooked gem.
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[biscuitsbrah]

Fighters have learned to time their shots better nowadays. When your striking improves so does your takedown timing. So yea, it’s very hard to time it against the modern mixed martial artist

 

[CroCopsLHK]

Here's an often overlooked gem.
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That was one i forgot to add. I'm not sure askren was Askring for it with a takedown it happened so fast. He was dipped down though and Jorge expected it so he threw that crazy knee

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

this man had the knee TDD on point

 

[jitzmonkey]

Fighters have learned to time their shots better nowadays. When your striking improves so does your takedown timing. So yea, it’s very hard to time it against the modern mixed martial artist

Very solid point.
There's a quick breakdown video showing Islam using "deceptive striking" to back up and bait Poirier before shooting a double that he changed to a high crotch (I believe) single.
Saw it on youtube.
No time to search now.

That was one i forgot to add. I'm not sure askren was Askring for it with a takedown it happened so fast. He was dipped down though and Jorge expected it so he threw that crazy knee

Would've really liked to see Askren fight in the UFC before his hips were completely shot; either way, talk about getting baited into ducking.

 

[SirRealKiller]

It's not common but does happen. It even happens in High School wrestling matches once in a while and that's not even intentional most of the time.

 

[HHJ]

 

[markantony20]

Not as much as I would like

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[otis604]

Yoel Romero Flying Knee Knockout Vs Weidman

 

[HHJ]

 

[GrantB13]

Here's an often overlooked gem.
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In this example I think it was Masvidal doing a knee anyway but Askren goes for a takedown. I've seen it from other fightets too. It's like they see their opponent start to charge for a knee but they duck down for a takedown regardless. I can't think of specific examples at the moment but it's something I've noticed. It's as if they think they'll intercept the knee and get a takedown. Or it's just an involuntary reaction.

 

[HHJ]

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I'm talking knees and uppercuts. I remember JDS training an uppercut as TDD on TUF. But in fact I never saw him use it live or anybody. Except Derrick Lewis against Blaydes. It was a very tentative fight. When Blaydes shot in from afar in the 2nd he got KOed. Lewis did little offense and waited

As for knees, you could say maybe Barboza vs Dairush and Moraes vs Aljo.

Still few and far between from my memory. They don't seem like proven TDD. It seems like a grappler shooting in almost has a 1/100 chance of getting caught. The window of success is but a millisecond

Very rare and hard to do -- it's like lighiting in a bottle when it happens

 

[josh3000]

Barboza vs Quarantillo is another good one; Barboza is just really good at timing knees off of takedown attempts

 

[jitzmonkey]

In this example I think it was Masvidal doing a knee anyway but Askren goes for a takedown. I've seen it from other fightets too. It's like they see their opponent start to charge for a knee but they duck down for a takedown regardless. I can't think of specific examples at the moment but it's something I've noticed. It's as if they think they'll intercept the knee and get a takedown. Or it's just an involuntary reaction.

It’s a possibility

I’d argue that this instance was a case where American Top Team knew that Askren’s default to any adversity would be “panic wrestling” (a term over applied IMO.)

My guess is that Masvidal’s sprinting essentially triggered a double leg “tackle” response from Askren.


You might be right, though.

 

[JKS]

It's very rare.

 

[Dr. Rose]

It’s a possibility

I’d argue that this instance was a case where American Top Team knew that Askren’s default to any adversity would be “panic wrestling” (a term over applied IMO.)

My guess is that Masvidal’s sprinting essentially triggered a double leg “tackle” response from Askren.


You might be right, though.

Isn't that what Askren was known to do at the start of his fights? I can't recall because his fight were not exactly memorable.

 

[Dr. Rose]

The problem with uppercuts is that there is still a good chance you are going to get taken down, which unless it was a true and clean KO, the grappler has a few seconds to recover.

 

[Bobby Boulders]