How much money do people need to be happy?

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Take three people. All are unmarried, 33-year-old women who live in the United States. One makes an annual salary of $40,000, another makes $120,000, and the third makes $200,000. Who do you think is the happiest?

According to a recently released study (paywall) in the burgeoning field of happiness research, the two higher-earning women are likely to report more satisfaction with their lives than the one who makes $40,000. But, perhaps surprisingly, the psychologists who conducted the study find that the one making $200,000 is probably no happier than the one making $120,000. This is because both the $120,000 and $200,000 women have incomes above $105,000, which according to their research is the point at which greater household income in the US is not associated with greater happiness. The technical term for this cutoff is the income “satiation point.”

The study is based on a life-satisfaction survey conducted on over 1 million people as part of the Gallup World Poll. Respondents across the world were asked to rate their lives on a scale of 0-10, where 0 is the “worst possible life” and 10 is the “best possible life.” (This author would give himself an eight.)

The researchers analyzed the relationship between this score and household income. They find that in every region of the world, after accounting for a person’s age, gender, and marital status, people with higher incomes are happier. But they also find that there is a level of income at which happiness no longer increases with more money. This varies by region, with Australia and New Zealand the highest and Latin America and the Caribbean the lowest. They even find some evidence that in certain places, when incomes rise above the cutoff level, life satisfaction gets lower.

The chart below shows the “satiation point” for different areas of the world. The incomes are converted to US dollars and adjusted for variations in spending power across countries.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/HyKshEjwG

These psychologists, from Purdue University and the University of Virginia, are not the first to study how income relates to life satisfaction. In 2010, the Nobel prize-winning duo of economist Angus Deaton and psychologist Daniel Kahneman, famously found that the satiation point for US households was about $75,000 (about $84,000 in 2016 dollars). This new research improves on Deaton and Kahneman’s work, because the data is able to account for the number of people in a household, has more detailed income numbers, and includes responses from many more countries.

Dan Sacks is an economist at Indiana University who studies the relationship between income and subjective well-being. He tells Quartz over email that he finds the new research compelling, but far from definitive. The primary strength of this paper, Sacks says, is that the researchers have access to a huge dataset that, unlike many previous studies, includes a large number of high-income people. His main concern is that the research relies on flawed survey questions.

The surveys rely on self-reported income, and previous research shows that just because people say they make a certain amount of money, it doesn’t mean they actually do (pdf). “It could be true that on average, people who say they have income of $150,000 are no happier than people who say they have income of $100,000,” writes Sacks. “But I’m not convinced that people who actually have income of $150,000 are no happier than people who have income of $100,000.” Also, it’s possible that rich people have a tendency to underemphasize their happiness compared with poorer people.

People also tend to answer questions about their happiness differently on different days. While a person’s answer on any given day is predictive of what they say a month later, it’s not that statistically robust. Today, I say my life is an eight, but ask me tomorrow and it might be a seven. This measurement error makes it difficult for researchers to assess the income-happiness relationship with great accuracy.

But let’s assume that the research is right, and there is some point at which higher incomes don’t predict greater happiness. Does that mean that if you already make $120,000, you wouldn’t be happier with a $30,000 raise?

Not at all. Research suggests that the average person who makes $150,000 is no happier than the average person who makes $120,000. But it could be that the sort of person who makes $120,000 is different in some fundamental way from the sort of person who makes $150,000. Perhaps, the people who make $150,000 would be less happy if they made $120,000, so their satiation point is higher than the sort of person who is happy with $120,000 and doesn’t want for anything more.

https://qz.com/1211957/how-much-money-do-people-need-to-be-happy/
 
If your income is what it takes to be happy, you're probably living a boring, unfulfilling life.

You sound poor

I know. I am poor. But at least I'm not sitting behind a desk pretending my 70k salary makes me happy.
 
If i had 100k Id just buy a BK Franchise....all the whoppers a ninja can eat.
 
The truth is that while money can make you happier in the short term, in the long run it might not. Once you become accustomed to the lifestyle and it becomes normal to you, the initial utopia of having more money will not mean nearly as much, at least for most people. True happiness comes almost entirely from within.

I know it sounds cliche and maybe a little corny, but it's true.
 
There are more variables involved in happiness than just income.

We don't even know the posts-to-likes ratio of those 3 broads' Sherdog accounts
 
The key to happiness is only being friends with poor people.
 
Just a little more than the Jones'.
 
Some people can be happy with very little money and some aren't happy no matter how much they make. If you judge yourself and others by earnings, you aren't likely to ever be satisfied.
 
Legit answer is 3 million dollars. It is shit tons of money to live off but not enough to act like a materialistic jerk off.

Like if you have 3 mil you have enough for medical emergency or to help a loved family member.

But it' not enough to buy absurd items or shit that is considered lavish or fancy and flashy.

3 million is the magic number.
 
It's an interesting question, and really it just depends on the person and their perspective I guess?

For example: The company I work for does an annual bonus and raise. It is based on personal and department goals set for the year. We got our information on that about a month ago and I was surprised with the bonus being considerably larger than I thought and the raise was good too.

More or less it was an 8% raise and just under $5,000 for the bonus. They started this department in the last Quarter of 2017 so we didn't know what to expect. I was more than happy with it, but I have a co-worker that is letting everyone know how upset they are about it. Saying "the standard raise should be "12%-15%" and her cousin got a $15,000 bonus. Never mind her cousin worked the entire year with the company, in a different department and who knows what other factors went into it.
 
The key to happiness is being cheap.

One of the greatest feelings is being able to afford just about anything and having confidence not to buy it.
 
If your income is what it takes to be happy, you're probably living a boring, unfulfilling life.



I know. I am poor. But at least I'm not sitting behind a desk pretending my 70k salary makes me happy.
This I much more value my free time over things/money. You still need to make enough to be able to do stuff comfortably though, like say, take a vacation on a whim and eat good food
 
a lot of rich people kill themselves... so IDK.

A lot of rich people off themselves because they are lonely and realized they could never have true love or real friendship people are just out for their money.

I read a story of a guy who sudden won the lotto he won like 50 million or something he said he was happy for the first couple of months to a year but then he started realizing even his family was trying to steal his money, he had relatives he never heard from and old friends from school who ignored him and never returned his calls contacting him and when he dated women he had a feeling they were just using him, one point in the story he said he overheard a pretty hot girl he was dating talking with her girlfriend and they told her to get knocked up and she wouldn't have to marry him just get pregnant and tell the judge he was abusing you emotionally and controlling

he said the moment he overheard that was what caused him not to enjoy life anymore, he wanted to have a wife and kids and he finally had the money at 43 to do that and didn't have to work anymore.

He said one moment he was eating at a place and saw this guy who was not rich yet he had a loving wife and kids, and he envied that


you just have to block out the chances of having a woman love you out and accept that any girl who dates you or marries you just wants you for the money

and the people around you are only with you because they want some allowance, look at Foyd Mayweather the guy has so many hangar ons that if he went broke they wouldnt help him they like getting that side money he tosses their way and travel no expenses as part of his entourage to different countries he pays for all of them. they live free off his dime, once he goes broke if he does go broke they will bounce.

it is what it is money changes things, like they say mo money mo problems.
 
Not enough

I'm serious. Every time I got a better job or got promoted, the income goal I want shifts up. I would have laughed my ass off if I made $20 bucks an hour when I was a 19 years old college kid. Now I think I am being low-balled at $70K a year as a manager. You can never have enough money.

Of course, if you're wealthy, you'd have to start getting concerned that people get close to you just because of that. That's gotta suck for relationships.
 
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Its not an easy question to answer, as its different for everyone and changes depending on circumstances.

Do you have hobbies that require a constant stream of money? Do you have loans/credit cards/mortgage? Where do you live? Do you have pretty nice stuff already?

I think 50-75k per working adult is more than enough to be pretty well off, provided you arent reckless.
 
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