How many do you think will switch up after tonight?

[AstralPanda]

We live in a world with very short attention spans

Recency bias is a very real thing

No matter how good you are, people forget unless you're reminding them consistently.

How much of the community do you think will start running back the vitriol they've been spitting once they watch the fight and remember how good Jones actually is?

The current of the day is very strongly anti Jones

But I suspect it will shift strongly after tonight. Still a lot of Aspinall talk, rightfully so, but also a lot more objectivity and reason, as opposed to the current witch hunt.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Probably no one. Even if Jon retires and Tom is immediately booked for the "real" belt, these types are addicted to outrage and will still be crying about Jon for years to come.

 

[HuskySamoan]

You're conflating things in a very dimwitted way. Nobody is questioning Jones career or greatness or even ability for the most part. They are questioning him ducking Aspinall, he even said "so after all these years you've finally found someone who might be a challenge for me, who could beat me and he's 30lbs bigger than me and 7 years younger". He's had a lot of pussy mental gymnastics on tape that make him look had trying to rationalize ducking Tom too. Also Stipe is 42...hasn't fought in over 3 years and the last time he did fight, he got his head knocked into orbit by Francis...Stipe retired, middle aged dude went back to the fire department not the gym for these last 3 years, this is a cash grab...he can make a few million from a single fight and his careers almost over...he's obligated to do this.

 

[JustOnce]

He's the most talented fighter that I've seen.

But he's no goat of mine, he's a cheater and that's where it ends.

Cleary robbed Reyes too and well past his prime by many years.

I think if Stipe wasn't so old I would pick Stipe by KO too. Even now, if Stipe can match Jone's speed, Stipe by KO, but not sure if he can do that.

Ducked Ngannou, ducking Aspinall, cherry-picked Gane, cherry picking Stipe, what's to like?

I really do think if Stipe isn't washed up due to age and inactivity, Stipe beats Jones. He just gotta be able to keep up with Jone's speed, just not sure if he has it in him.

Reyes had length AND speed to keep up with Jones. Same with Gus, but Gus got hit with that spinning elbow. Gane had it but he had not much of grappling off his back or off the cage. Stipe does.

Speed is the key in this fight. And I've never been Stipe fan either.

If Stipe can keep up, Stipe all day.

 

[Bend NvR Break]

People don't hate Jon because of the drugs, steroids or arrests.
They hate because he'd made them look stupid picking against him all these years.
Everytime Jon wins after they pick against him is like a kick in the gut.

They'll throw their eggs in another fighter's basket to beat Jon like they do everytime. Just double down on jump on Tom's sack.

 

[Lord Pyjamas]

Switch up what?
Our diets? Wifes? Training?
Pretty sure the answer is no to all that you could ever come up with!

 

[AstralPanda]

Probably no one. Even if Jon retires and Tom is immediately booked for the "real" belt, these types are addicted to outrage and will still be crying about Jon for years to come.

There are some who won't change no matter what you do.

@Captain Herb for example has 40 Jon Jones threads in a row over a multiple year span.

Jones could save a dozen children from a burning building and he would still be making threads.

I believe there will still be a shift overall, though. A lot of people aren't just hating but they've forgot how good Jones actually is or why he's so widely viewed as the goat to begin with.

That reminder will shift the pendulum of public opinion back a fair bit, I feel.

 

[SRN]

People dislike Jones because they believe he's a bad person, not a bad fighter.

 

[muaythaidon1]

He's still a PED taking woman beater right? I'm fine on this side.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

there is absolutely NO ONE who thinks he's not a good fighter. they just think he's a scumbag. beating Stipe isn't going to change that.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

We live in a world with very short attention spans

Recency bias is a very real thing

No matter how good you are, people forget unless you're reminding them consistently.

How much of the community do you think will start running back the vitriol they've been spitting once they watch the fight and remember how good Jones actually is?

The current of the day is very strongly anti Jones

But I suspect it will shift strongly after tonight. Still a lot of Aspinall talk, rightfully so, but also a lot more objectivity and reason, as opposed to the current witch hunt.

Just like Jake Paul, you don't "prove how good" you are by fighting an octogenarian who has been retired for decades.

I can tell you I won't be walking anything back after watching the main event, because I won't be watching the main event.

 

[gosuasus]

When Stipe knocks him out, I'd probably leave with the impression that Jones was good, but never that good.

 

[CatchnShoot]

Interesting.

Somehow you think beating 42 year old that hasn't fought in 3 years is somehow validating for Jon Jones in any way. The same dude that got KO'd by Stefan Struve while he was in his prime.

This fight should not be remotely close. If Jones is still on his game, this should not be competitive at all, and it should be the last we see of Stipe.

I don't begrudge Stipe this payday, he deserves it, but to think this is a somehow significant fight is illogical.

 

[frederick]

Gall needs to tuck his chin. Can't get away with that James Vick striking defense for long.

 

[AstralPanda]

Just like Jake Paul, you don't "prove how good" you are by fighting an octogenarian who has been retired for decades.

I can tell you I won't be walking anything back after watching the main event, because I won't be watching the main event.

Couldn't imagine what it would be like to be in a perpetual state of being butthurt.

Seems like a massive waste of energy that only detracts from tangible personal goals.

But there's an incessant need to project it into the world within many, almost like people are vampire's, desperately searching for a meal.

The psychology of it all is quite interesting to witness, borderline cult like in some ways. An interesting social experiment to be studied for sure.

 

[AstralPanda]

Interesting.

Somehow you think beating 42 year old that hasn't fought in 3 years is somehow validating for Jon Jones in any way. The same dude that got KO'd by Stefan Struve while he was in his prime.

This fight should not be remotely close. If Jones is still on his game, this should not be competitive at all, and it should be the last we see of Stipe.

I don't begrudge Stipe this payday, he deserves it, but to think this is a somehow significant fight is illogical.

Actually, I didn't say any of this.

Jon winning this fight is a given.

What would be validation isn't necessasily his opponent, but a demonstration of his skillset, which many have probably forgotten, lost in a sea of hate.

The amount of people trying to argue Jones has fought old, past prime, smaller fighters and that his resume isn't that impressive, while simultaneously doing mental gymnastics, undermining every one of his performances is pretty wild levels of hate. It's cult like vitriol and zealous extremism, that's the only way to put it.

It's easy to do that in a past tense. People in the modern era have very short attention spans.

Even a fight like this, which we all know is a squash match(relatively) will serve as a reminder, and shift the pendulum back to a more reasonable position.

 

[AstralPanda]

there is absolutely NO ONE who thinks he's not a good fighter. they just think he's a scumbag. beating Stipe isn't going to change that.

Personal feelings towards Jones or his outside the cage antics shouldn't play a factor when analyzing his overall career and accomplishments.

It's a difficult balance to navigate, but that muddling of the waters is a big part of the problem.

One bleeds into the other for many, even otherwise thoughtful people. Most don't even realize they're unable to make that distinction.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Couldn't imagine what it would be like to be in a perpetual state of being butthurt.

Seems like a massive waste of energy that only detracts from tangible personal goals.

But there's an incessant need to project it into the world within many, almost like people are vampire's, desperately searching for a meal.

The psychology of it all is quite interesting to witness, borderline cult like in some ways. An interesting social experiment to be studied for sure.

Like they say, ignorance is bliss, so the intelligent are usually envious/resentful of the dumb. How's that perpetual state of delusion going for you? Must be nice

Personal feelings towards Jones or his outside the cage antics shouldn't play a factor when analyzing his overall career and accomplishments.

It's a difficult balance to navigate, but that muddling of the waters is a big part of the problem.

One bleeds into the other for many, even otherwise thoughtful people. Most don't even realize they're unable to make that distinction.

As has been explained to you multiple times, that you seemed to miss, is that people aren't talking about that. You are purposefully conflating those 2 things for everyone who disagrees with you. No one is saying he's bad. They're saying that if he's the best, as a champion is assumed to be, then he should be fighting the best, not a freshly dug up corpse, even if it was the corpse of a really nice king.

Please come back to your own thread when you can finally make that distinction.

 

[tritestill]

Horrible thread

 

[Captain Herb]

There are some who won't change no matter what you do.

@Captain Herb for example has 40 Jon Jones threads in a row over a multiple year span.

Jones could save a dozen children from a burning building and he would still be making threads.

I believe there will still be a shift overall, though. A lot of people aren't just hating but they've forgot how good Jones actually is or why he's so widely viewed as the goat to begin with.

That reminder will shift the pendulum of public opinion back a fair bit, I feel.

Jones has run down and apprehended a purse snatcher for an old lady, given homeless people water in the park and saved one man's life from dehydration, patrolled the lawless streets during the pandemic riots and prevented teenagers from spraying graffiti, joined a militia to keep an eye on BLM protests, again, went downtown to talk to the homeless as if they're real people, protected his family from burglars, done numerous public service announcements to warn kids about the dangers of drunk driving, speaks regularly with God and spreads the gospel of Jesus Christ, I could go on and on but you're right, none of that really impresses me.

Jon Jones could impress me and everyone else by beating Tom Aspinall or even just fighting him. He won't impress anyone by beating old man Stipe and ducking Tom--and if he loses--oh boy, come back in a year son.