How I'd fix the college system

Fook no. Put down the crack pipe.

I don't like the idea of Microsoft or some other big corporation deciding whether or not I get to have a higher education and get to put food on the table only after sucking the right big wig's dick. As is things are difficult enough as is if you don't know the right people or grease the right palms.
 
Im not sure. What do you think happend?
Groupthink. governments incentives, people running the US who cannot imagine anyone not having a degree and being happy.

Just extend public education to grade 16. Not really hard.
Why? What do you mean not hard? The people with degrees are a minority.

This is a horrible fucking idea. Talk about perverse market incentives.

Anyway, the way to fix it is to make it free for anyone.
What problem would that fix?
 
I feel higher education as a whole needs to be restructured into apprenticeships.
I don't mean just IT or engineering, I mean every degree/field as a while.
Imagine having a medicine apprenticeship where one was paid money as they learnt how to become a doctor instead of forking hundreds of thousands of dollars to become one.
 
Fook no. Put down the crack pipe.

I don't like the idea of Microsoft or some other big corporation deciding whether or not I get to have a higher education and get to put food on the table only after sucking the right big wig's dick. As is things are difficult enough as is if you don't know the right people or grease the right palms.
Clearly the current hive mind we have in higher ed must be superior to that...
 
Here's the main flaw I see in the current system:
*It's overwhelmingly liberal.

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Here's the main flaw I see in the current system:

Your student is also your customer.

That's it. That one flaw leads to all the other dumb shit involved in getting a college education.

If you make your classes too hard, your customers will leave and go to another college. So you make them easy, fun, whatever. You offer useless degrees and tell them they'll be able to get jobs.

I think a better model would be to have corporations be your customer, not the student.

So instead of applying for college, you apply for, let's say Microsoft. And if Microsoft accepts you, then they pay for your college and you have to work for Microsoft for a certain number of years after you graduate.

Now the colleges have to cater to their real customer, Microsoft, so they'll be incentivized to focus on actual useful classes that are relevant to the work they'll be doing.

And the college is not pressured to make it easy, they can hold students to the standard that Microsoft expects. And if they deliver shitty graduates that don't know anything, then Microsoft will choose a different college next time.

It's a win-win. Corporations get employees that actually have the skills they need, and students are happy because they don't have to pay for college, but they still get highly in-demand skills.

In this system it wouldn't take 4 years to graduate either. Since the college is incentivized to produce competent graduates, they'd remove all the useless fluff classes and you might graduate in 2 years instead of 4.

That's basically how my dad did his engineering degree about 60 years ago.
 
Groupthink. governments incentives, people running the US who cannot imagine anyone not having a degree and being happy.


Why? What do you mean not hard? The people with degrees are a minority.


What problem would that fix?
We go to grade 12 free. So we extend it to grade 16. That's it. Real simple.
 
No it is not. That is a lot of money, time and real estate.
Yeah it is. Next you'll say that about highschool. Trust me highschool cost way more for the United States
Send people to college or technical training. They make more money meaning more taxes.

This is one of the easiest problems to fix. Americans coming out of highschool are not ready up compete on a global environment. The entire purpose of public education is to do that. Therefore you school system is currently a waste of money. Stop giving rich people rax breaks, stop sending money to Israel, and cut ices budget in half. There you go.
 
Yeah it is. Next you'll say that about highschool. Trust me highschool cost way more for the United States
Send people to college or technical training. They make more money meaning more taxes.

This is one of the easiest problems to fix. Americans coming out of highschool are not ready up compete on a global environment. The entire purpose of public education is to do that. Therefore you school system is currently a waste of money. Stop giving rich people rax breaks, stop sending money to Israel, and cut ices budget in half. There you go.
So why don't poor countries just do that and become rich? You think it did not take a lot of time for high school to be more accepted?

Education as currently is? It is about competitiveness?

Why not more technical training and less high school?
 
So why don't poor countries just do that and become rich? You think it did not take a lot of time for high school to be more accepted?

Education as currently is? It is about competitiveness?

Why not more technical training and less high school?
I've talked to you about this sperging of bad faith questions style of argument already.
Last try.

I'm not reading the questions. What are you trying to say? Not in fucking question form.
 
A college degree in Europe typically takes 3 years to complete. I thought that better than the 4 to 5 years in America to obtain a degree.
 
Groupthink. governments incentives, people running the US who cannot imagine anyone not having a degree and being happy.


Why? What do you mean not hard? The people with degrees are a minority.


What problem would that fix?
The problems outlined in the OP, most of which don’t actually exist. And the problem that college is so expensive now that it is exclusionary to anyone but the upper class.
 
Good idea mainly because almost anything is better than what’s going on now. Although many college teachers / professors would have to be replaced altogether.
 
Here's the main flaw I see in the current system:

Your student is also your customer.

That's it. That one flaw leads to all the other dumb shit involved in getting a college education.

If you make your classes too hard, your customers will leave and go to another college. So you make them easy, fun, whatever. You offer useless degrees and tell them they'll be able to get jobs.

I think a better model would be to have corporations be your customer, not the student.

So instead of applying for college, you apply for, let's say Microsoft. And if Microsoft accepts you, then they pay for your college and you have to work for Microsoft for a certain number of years after you graduate.

Now the colleges have to cater to their real customer, Microsoft, so they'll be incentivized to focus on actual useful classes that are relevant to the work they'll be doing.

And the college is not pressured to make it easy, they can hold students to the standard that Microsoft expects. And if they deliver shitty graduates that don't know anything, then Microsoft will choose a different college next time.

It's a win-win. Corporations get employees that actually have the skills they need, and students are happy because they don't have to pay for college, but they still get highly in-demand skills.

In this system it wouldn't take 4 years to graduate either. Since the college is incentivized to produce competent graduates, they'd remove all the useless fluff classes and you might graduate in 2 years instead of 4.

It's a cool idea, and I respect you put some thoughts behind it.

My issue is the way corporations hire 10K employees one year then lay off 20K the next like its nothing, I dont see then essentially hiring employees 2 years in the future. There is nothing in it for them here
 
Most of the folks that graduate go into a certain trade, so build it trade based. Electives were done in hs…. This model wouldn’t be great for sports
 
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