How I'd fix the college system

[nostradumbass]

I could be talked into supporting the government fully funding a handful of colleges, maybe a couple per region, but they would be small and only for students with SAT scores above like 1400. For the midwits who got like a 1070 and want to pretend they're intellectuals because they signed up for sociology at a party school, they can pay for that shit themselves.

 

[F1980]

We've already used up all the quality training data in recorded human history at this point. What do you propose we train AI on next?

That's without getting into scaling and engineering limits for silicon.

And yet ChatGPT 5 was stagnant due to basic economics. Economics the industry has not shown any roadmap to surmounting soon.

Speaking of economics, you also haven't answered, why would a college pay more to pay for a dumber AI subscription than spending less to hire an actual expert?

The AI that comes with a smartphone will eventually be more intelligent than a team of the smartest men to ever live. This will be in our lifetime.

 

[avenue94]

The AI that comes with a smartphone will eventually be more intelligent than a team of the smartest men to ever live. This will be in our lifetime.

You didn't answer the question: What are we going to train on?

And feel free to explain how the market will come up with the almost trillion dollars in revenue it needs to fund its existence going forward.

 

[Bballfan123]

State and federal funding of universities has decreased steadily over the last several decades. This means student tuition has had to fill the gap.

The interesting thing about this chart is that while it shows that tuition is a bigger part of university revenue, the rise isn't as dramatic as the rise in tuition itself. This indicates that universities are becoming more expensive to operate.

And it's NOT because professors or admins have outrageous salaries either. At least for public schools, you can look up their salaries on state databases and see that they're not crazy high at all.

I think it's that college campuses are becoming too high-end and fancy. Schools now spend hundreds of millions on new dining halls and rec centers and dorms to make them uber comfy and beautiful. Even big, public universities. Yeah, everyone loves comfort and beauty but you're definitely paying for it.

Make college more spartan and you'll see costs lower.

You'll lose the modern base - WOMEN. no woman wants to live in a white walled room and 'grind it out' and sweat out a degree. they will do literally anything to avoid that in fact. some do but not the target audience of upper class dum dums who pay 30,000 for out of state at a fancy school. THAT is the target audience.

the college model is simply not gonna work. youre 100% right these universities had the (somewhat) right idea to attract customers, the problem is the return on college is just not that great. even if youre SUPER SMART and get a phd in like mechanical engineering you are going to be living in complete poverty until youre 25-30. and the whole thing is, if you're smart and not rich they're gonna put you to work for 10 an hour. stipend is 2200/mo you work 40 hours a week for the school 2200/160 is about $13/hr. yes you do work that much it's not part time. and this is for the absolute best students. on phd programs that are 'paid for'. the mid students have to take out loans.

why? why would someone do that? mcdonalds managers have better quality of life than phd candidates


main problems:
-college is built on fleecing the dumb rich students and rich overseas students- this is rapidly drying up
-there are actually decent amount of jobs now that pay $15-20 hr entry
-no reason to go to college for big money like 20-50 years ago, job market is gone
-if you get in and do good, the good jobs on campus are all still based on 2005 pay scale when $2200/mo was livable. now its poverty. this is huge. i know people TODAY who make less than $13/hr who are PhD students in Computer Science and Engineering. they are mad and feel they are getting scammed because they are getting scammed

If schools had to compete in the free market without government involvement, things would improve.

agreed, probably half if not more will close.
-Colleges invested too much hundreds of millions on new dining halls and rec centers and dorms. was a half decent and necessary evil to attract the rich students. face it, no one's gonna travel overseas to go a shithole spartan college for American level prices. now their interest is huge compared to shrinking enrollment
-everyone is stupid but smart and sees all the 40 year olds pay 1000/mo for 350 years and saying NOPE HAHA NO THANK YOU


theres really no endgame that dooesnt destroy the college business model.

 

[Bballfan123]

I could be talked into supporting the government fully funding a handful of colleges, maybe a couple per region, but they would be small and only for students with SAT scores above like 1400. For the midwits who got like a 1070 and want to pretend they're intellectuals because they signed up for sociology at a party school, they can pay for that shit themselves.

this is how it works now. if you get a great score you get a full ride or close to it as long as it's not an upper crust school like Northwestern or UNC

 

[Prefect]

This will never get fixed because with oppressive parties like the present GOP, an educated citizenry is a threat because they are able to recognize why and how things are unfair and how they could easily be fixed by changing the system of rule. If you go through documents related to soviet union, they explicitly talk about the contradictions of needing engineers for their economy while at the same time were worried about the political issues that educating people could cause. Whatever party pushes against education is without a doubt the more oppressive party.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

This will never get fixed because with oppressive parties like the present GOP, an educated citizenry is a threat because they are able to recognize why and how things are unfair and how they could easily be fixed by changing the system of rule. If you go through documents related to soviet union, they explicitly talk about the contradictions of needing engineers for their economy while at the same time were worried about the political issues that educating people could cause. Whatever party pushes against education is without a doubt the more oppressive party.

about the political issues that educating people could cause.

How democrats react to the idea that roughly half of US citizens turned 18 would have to go to an island where Republicans educate them for 3 years?

 

[nostradumbass]

this is how it works now. if you get a great score you get a full ride or close to it as long as it's not an upper crust school like Northwestern or UNC

I'm not talking about a "full ride" to an existing school that takes subsidies, has a tax free endowment and also lets in tons of people who didn't score very high, I'm talking about an entirely separate school.

 

[Prefect]

about the political issues that educating people could cause.

How democrats react to the idea that roughly half of US citizens turned 18 would have to go to an island where Republicans educate them for 3 years?

Only in the U.S. is learning how to read, write, and think critically considered democratic indoctrination. I suppose it is easier to swallow general retardedness about magnets or anything else from the president if you dont know anything or can't even self educate.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Only in the U.S. is learning how to read, write, and think critically considered democratic indoctrination. I suppose it is easier to swallow general retardedness about magnets or anything else from the president if you dont know anything or can't even self educate.

Kamala was not much sharper than Orange. In the West people can read at 18. A mono culture will teach critical thinking...

 

[Prefect]

Kamala was not much sharper than Orange. In the West people can read at 18. A mono culture will teach critical thinking...

If you critically thought about it, you would come to the same conclusion as nearly everyone else has with what Trump really is with him doing everything possible to prevent the release of the Epstein files, why he had thousands of FBI agents comb through all the evidence as to locate where his name is mentioned, why he has a close and long friendship with a sex trafficking child molester, why the GOP keeps blocking the release of the files which only protects child molesters, and why numerous allegations of sexual assault and rape, and a report of him and Epstein raping a minor together. You figure it out but I ain't going to vote for anyone regardless of platform that very likely is something repulsive and criminal. Nor do I think this type of person will ever put in selfless effort to fix healthcare or the education system when it is clear they lack general empathy and only do things that benefit themselves.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

If you critically thought about it, you would come to the same conclusion as nearly everyone else has with what Trump really is with him doing everything possible to prevent the release of the Epstein files, why he had thousands of FBI agents comb through all the evidence as to locate where his name is mentioned, why he has a close and long friendship with a sex trafficking child molester, why the GOP keeps blocking the release of the files which only protects child molesters, and why numerous allegations of sexual assault and rape, and a report of him and Epstein raping a minor together. You figure it out but I ain't going to vote for anyone regardless of platform that very likely is something repulsive and criminal. Nor do I think this type of person will ever put in selfless effort to fix healthcare or the education system when it is clear they lack general empathy and only do things that benefit themselves.

Where did i say anything nice about Trump?

 

[Prefect]

Where did i say anything nice about Trump?

Kamala is not even in the same zip code as the retarded man who can't even understand magnets. There was no exaggeration when Trump's former business school professor described him as the dumbest student he ever had. The man has always been retarded.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Kamala is not even in the same zip code as the retarded man who can't even understand magnets. There is no exaggeration when Trump's former business school professor described him as the dumbest student he ever had. The man has always been retarded.

Have you seen Kamala speak in public?

 

[Prefect]

Have you seen Kamala speak in public?

Have you heard Drumpf put together one sentence?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Have you heard Dumpf put together one sentence?

Sometimes.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

You'll lose the modern base - WOMEN. no woman wants to live in a white walled room and 'grind it out' and sweat out a degree. they will do literally anything to avoid that in fact. some do but not the target audience of upper class dum dums who pay 30,000 for out of state at a fancy school. THAT is the target audience.

the college model is simply not gonna work. youre 100% right these universities had the (somewhat) right idea to attract customers, the problem is the return on college is just not that great. even if youre SUPER SMART and get a phd in like mechanical engineering you are going to be living in complete poverty until youre 25-30. and the whole thing is, if you're smart and not rich they're gonna put you to work for 10 an hour. stipend is 2200/mo you work 40 hours a week for the school 2200/160 is about $13/hr. yes you do work that much it's not part time. and this is for the absolute best students. on phd programs that are 'paid for'. the mid students have to take out loans.

why? why would someone do that? mcdonalds managers have better quality of life than phd candidates


main problems:
-college is built on fleecing the dumb rich students and rich overseas students- this is rapidly drying up
-there are actually decent amount of jobs now that pay $15-20 hr entry
-no reason to go to college for big money like 20-50 years ago, job market is gone
-if you get in and do good, the good jobs on campus are all still based on 2005 pay scale when $2200/mo was livable. now its poverty. this is huge. i know people TODAY who make less than $13/hr who are PhD students in Computer Science and Engineering. they are mad and feel they are getting scammed because they are getting scammed

Damn, I disagree with just about every single one of your points. Some are factually incorrect, no opinion needed.

The part about no reason to go to college is just wrong. College graduates still make considerably more than non-college graduates.

And this is a yearly income difference. Over a lifetime, the difference compounds.

And when you look at net worth (total assets minus debt), the difference is even more stark.

And of course, this doesn't even take into account the type of work that each group does. Most of the non-college grads that are making decent money are doing physically uncomfortable, grunt work. Yeah, you can be a top A/C technician or whatever but you have to climb into hot/cold ass attics for hours on end for a living. Good luck doing that starting in your late 40s. Meanwhile, people can do office work well into their 60s and even 70s.

You're right that PhD students make very little but to them it's completely worth it. They're passionate about their work and when they do start work, they do just fine economically, like the above chart shows.

 

[Bballfan123]

Damn, I disagree with just about every single one of your points. Some are factually incorrect, no opinion needed.

The part about no reason to go to college is just wrong. College graduates still make considerably more than non-college graduates.

And this is a yearly income difference. Over a lifetime, the difference compounds.

And when you look at net worth (total assets minus debt), the difference is even more stark.

And of course, this doesn't even take into account the type of work that each group does. Most of the non-college grads that are making decent money are doing physically uncomfortable, grunt work. Yeah, you can be a top A/C technician or whatever but you have to climb into hot/cold ass attics for hours on end for a living. Good luck doing that starting in your late 40s. Meanwhile, people can do office work well into their 60s and even 70s.

You're right that PhD students make very little but to them it's completely worth it. They're passionate about their work and when they do start work, they do just fine economically, like the above chart shows.

I think they might want to double check their stats that thing is saying that the average income in America is $123,000? That’s completely wrong. The average income is like I think 32,000 a person and 57,000 household. So that is wildly inaccurate maybe that’s for like a specific state or city.

The average high school dropout does not make $57,000 a year and the average bachelor degree holder does not make $123,000 a year. That’s just totally wrong. Kind of invalidate your point if the numbers aren’t even right, I’ll post a link to correct numbers.

Also talking about going to college today is not the same thing as lifetime earnings. You can’t just say well. This thing worked and it will work forever there’s something called AI that takes peoples jobs now.

 

[Bballfan123]

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/pay-salary/average-salary-with-college-degree-vs-without

Employees who didn't graduate high school or have an equivalent degree have the lowest expected earnings, with only $520 a week on average. This means that their yearly earnings are a total of $27,040 per year


Employees who graduated high school but did not attend any form of higher education can expect to earn $712 per week or $37,024 per year if they work constantly.


Bachelor's degrees are the most common form of college education and typically require four years of full-time study, with some needing five years. The average expected weekly earnings for an employee with a bachelor's degree on their resumeare $1,173, a significant improvement from the average earnings of associate degree holders.

I’m not denying that people with college agrees don’t earn more money that would be silly, but average doesn’t tell the whole story.
Average means half the people make less than that and half the people make more than that let’s say for someone’s particular circumstances a college degree would pay less and a blue-collar job would pay more like maybe in the Midwest.
A college degree can realistically cost 50 grand or more. Say you’re earning $800 versus 1000. You’re earning 200 bucks a week more which is 25% higher but you have to pay 600 bucks a month in tuition and don’t say blah blah blah well you shouldn’t have done that. Guess what dude people do that millions of people are in this situation. Let’s say you have 600 bucks in tuition repayment so you’re making an additional $200 a month in this hypothetical situation 3400 vs 3200 every 28 days. 850 vs 800 a week. Making more money, but you had to take out four years of your life to go study when you weren’t making very much assuming.

This is a real scenario for the average American, who isn’t born rich or super smart or with 1 million offers or a perfect set up is the realistic situation is it really worth it? College is only really worth it if you can leverage your into a six figure job you’re making 50 60 grand You need to do some thinking.