How good was Floyd?

[Edmond_Dantes]

Amazing that the guy would pull the exact same tricks with all sorts of different fighters and almost never get caught. After 3 rounds, all Floyd opponents would have that same "WTF do I do now?" look on their face.

you mean like this?

and this

 

[Seano]

you mean like this?

and this

Maidana was one of the few guys I can think of that caught him in the pull counter.

 

[bjl12]

you mean like this?

and this

Maidana was one of the few guys I can think of that caught him in the pull counter.

If a master boxer like Maidana can land that kind of punch imagine a SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, etc.

Floyd was IN TROUBLE of KD and even TKO had that not literally been at the bell and that's truth

 

[djacobox372]

Canelo turned pro at 15 years old lol. 99% of boxers (including Floyd) are still amateurs at that time. And Canelo fought mostly journeymen in those 44 fights so its not like he was some seasoned pro. His best wins leading up to Floyd was a shot to shit Mosley, retired Baldomir, Matthew Hatton (lol), and a debatable decision over Trout just a few months prior. By that point in time Canelo developed into a good prospect but if someone thinks that was a prime Canelo that Floyd beat...its just fanboy stuff. Canelo was prime (to me) after GGG2. That fight (win, draw, lose) helped take him to his next level which led to the Kovalev, Smith (underrated win), BJS, and Plant wins.

6th title defense.

I'm not saying he was at his absolute best, but I'm also not convinced that he wasn't close to it. LIke you said he started at 15yo, so he was not your typical 23yo pro.

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

If a master boxer like Maidana can land that kind of punch imagine a SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, etc.

Floyd was IN TROUBLE of KD and even TKO had that not literally been at the bell and that's truth

Personally,

if you were to ask me which past fighters could possibly defeat Mayweather Jr.

i would have SRR, SRL, Hearns, and Meldrick Taylor (Pre-loss to JCC Sr.) on that list.

and tbf, he recovered pretty well from that shot, I was surprised he stayed on his feet tbh.

 

[Seano]

If a master boxer like Maidana can land that kind of punch imagine a SRL, Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, etc.

Floyd was IN TROUBLE of KD and even TKO had that not literally been at the bell and that's truth

If prime Ray were fighting 38 year old Floyd, I'd probably favor Ray too but not because Maidana gave him a tough fight.

 

[bjl12]

6th title defense.

I'm not saying he was at his absolute best, but I'm also not convinced that he wasn't close to it. LIke you said he started at 15yo, so he was not your typical 23yo pro.

Why is it that nearly every other pro boxer is considered in their prime close to 30? But Canelo was somehow prime at 23??

 

[bjl12]

If prime Ray were fighting 38 year old Floyd, I'd probably favor Ray too but not because Maidana gave him a tough fight.

Any version of SRL, SRR, Hearns, Duran, and Benitez are favored against Floyd. WW DLH is favored against Floyd. 2009 Pac is even money. Younger Mosley probably stops Floyd.

 

[Seano]

Any version of SRL, SRR, Hearns, Duran, and Benitez are favored against Floyd. WW DLH is favored against Floyd. 2009 Pac is even money. Younger Mosley probably stops Floyd.

*yawn*

 

[zapataxiv]

Maidana was one of the few guys I can think of that caught him in the pull counter.

yea even in the gif he is taking the heat off of it
Maidana never was an artist in the ring but really went for it against floyd

glad he got to really beat the brakes of broner before Broner officially became the clown car he is today.

 

[zapataxiv]

Any version of SRL, SRR, Hearns, Duran, and Benitez are favored against Floyd. WW DLH is favored against Floyd. 2009 Pac is even money. Younger Mosley probably stops Floyd.

agree with some but not with others
mosely and Benitez mainly
also the any version part, any of those legends at their best are nightmare for any one that is why they are legends..

 

[XThe GreatestX]

Thats hindsight though. Who was Hearns when Ray fought him? Who had he fought? I'd say its pretty accurate as both Hearns and Canelo went on to have the high points of their careers after losing to Ray and Floyd

Meh, I don't agree. Hearns went on to have his best fights after losing to Ray, including against Ray himself in the rematch. He learned something or else Ray would have knocked him out again.[/QUOTE]


Disagree. I think Tommy had all the tools pretty early on and put them together early on. Whether it was vs Pipino, Ray or even the Shields fight he was showing great boxing, huge power, great ability to cut off the ring etc. His shots were clean, he never smothered his work even early on.

You really see a huge difference in the Tommy that fought Pipino or Ray vs the Tommy that fought Dewitt or Andries? I way disagree. Tommy put it together really early on.

Whereas Canelo i think....maybe has improved more then any fighter i have ever seen. You have watched a lot of boxing too, can you think of anyone? I mean this dude cuts off the ring great, the body work is great. the combos are great. His calmness in there etc. He didn't have a lot of that early on. Meandering performances against Trout, Lara and even Mosley wasn't a great performance.

Point is, I think Tommy was pretty close to his apex when Ray fought him the first time. I don't think Canelo was at all when Floyd fought him

Also I think Tommy got out of that because Ray was older, not for anything he himself did. He still gassed out the same in that fight and took a ton of shots late. It was just 12 instead of 15

 

[XThe GreatestX]

yoooo i fucked up the quoting LOL what do i do????

 

[Seano]

yoooo i fucked up the quoting LOL what do i do????

 

[Edmond_Dantes]

yoooo i fucked up the quoting LOL what do i do????

request to be banned obviously.

 

[MayweatherisTBE]

Why is it that nearly every other pro boxer is considered in their prime close to 30? But Canelo was somehow prime at 23??

23 is a fighters physical and mental prime. Teo beat Loma at that age. So why couldn't Canelo beat Floyd? The guy just wasn't good enough. Some people want to pretend that Canelo is a significantly smarter fighter than he was back then, but from what I've seen from the Lara, GGG, and Bivol fights that just isn't the case. He's made some small improvements, but nothing major. I think people are saying Canelo wasn't in his prime because it destroys their narrative that Floyd never beat a prime ATG. I guess Floyd waited for Canelo to get young.

 

[Seano]

Why is it that nearly every other pro boxer is considered in their prime close to 30? But Canelo was somehow prime at 23??

What age would have been acceptable? Deosn't matter that he was a unified belt holder and had beaten multiple former world champions? Not to mention that Floyd wasn't even in HIS prime.

 

[Seano]

Meh, I don't agree. Hearns went on to have his best fights after losing to Ray, including against Ray himself in the rematch. He learned something or else Ray would have knocked him out again.

Disagree. I think Tommy had all the tools pretty early on and put them together early on. Whether it was vs Pipino, Ray or even the Shields fight he was showing great boxing, huge power, great ability to cut off the ring etc. His shots were clean, he never smothered his work even early on.

You really see a huge difference in the Tommy that fought Pipino or Ray vs the Tommy that fought Dewitt or Andries? I way disagree. Tommy put it together really early on.

Whereas Canelo i think....maybe has improved more then any fighter i have ever seen. You have watched a lot of boxing too, can you think of anyone? I mean this dude cuts off the ring great, the body work is great. the combos are great. His calmness in there etc. He didn't have a lot of that early on. Meandering performances against Trout, Lara and even Mosley wasn't a great performance.

Point is, I think Tommy was pretty close to his apex when Ray fought him the first time. I don't think Canelo was at all when Floyd fought him

Also I think Tommy got out of that because Ray was older, not for anything he himself did. He still gassed out the same in that fight and took a ton of shots late. It was just 12 instead of 15

Hearns had never even fought beyond 10 rounds when Ray fought him. Prior to fighting Ray his resume is a who's who of nobody, aside from Cuevas, who was an overrated fighter. You don't think he learned and improved from the Ray loss?

 

[Seano]

aw... See what you did @XThe GreatestX

 

[bjl12]

23 is a fighters physical and mental prime.

23 isnt physical or mental prime lol

Teo beat Loma at that age. So why couldn't Canelo beat Floyd? The guy just wasn't good enough. Some people want to pretend that Canelo is a significantly smarter fighter than he was back then, but from what I've seen from the Lara, GGG, and Bivol fights that just isn't the case. He's made some small improvements, but nothing major. I think people are saying Canelo wasn't in his prime because it destroys their narrative that Floyd never beat a prime ATG. I guess Floyd waited for Canelo to get young.

Teo beat Loma, sure. So give me more than one example of a young 20 year old beating a much older HOF opponent. Obviously examples exist but they're few and far between...and that's because trainers and advisors know that physical and mental orimes (esp mental) dont happen until later on (mental closer to 30; physical 25-27 or so)